Foxholer
Blackballed
Not that I saw - that LH hadn't 'manufactured'. In the above vid, there was point almost immediately before LH floored it where it looked iffy, but camera angle meant it was inconclusive.
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Swango1980
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To be fair, the officials didn't want to penalise Max, in case they were accused of having a hand in determing the title winner...
greenone
Active member
It's in the stewards dismissal of the protests.
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Deleted member 29109
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The stewards confirmed that Max was in front of Lewis during the safety car period. But not enough to warrant a penalty as it turned out.
bobmac
Major Champion
The point was Massi removed Lewis's 12 second lead which he had when the accident happened so made them ''all square'' in my analogy
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Verstappen was definitely ahead of Hamilton for a very short period of time. Briefly admittedly, but against the rules. No iffy camera angles required.
What was mentioned by one of the retired drivers in the commentary team is that Verstappen stopped Hamilton from following the clean line on the track, and meant the Hamilton picked up dirt on his tyres. Might be insignificant but might also be worth considering.
Every car loses the advantage they’ve built up when the safety car is deployed. Personally I’d like to the gapping maintained as it is when the virtual safety car is deployed.
What I don’t understand is why the 5 cars between Hamilton and Verstappen were allowed to pass.
Foxholer
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All part of the 'near end of SC period' tactics. As LH was, supposedly, in control of events at that stage, any 'poor tactics' are likely down to him - at least imo!
woofers
Medal Winner
Totally agree, there must be a way of doing this, they have timings all round the place and for all sorts of things to 1/100ths of a second.
If they can’t do that and need to bunch up, another way of doing it would be to say that the driver behind by x seconds when the safety car was deployed needs to finish more than x seconds in front when the race finishes, e.g Max needed to beat Lewis by more than 12 seconds, no one would argue with that.
Foxholer
Blackballed
I agree!
Result would have been a foregone conclusion - as MV would not have got near LH in the 1 lap (?) left, so no actual 'racing' would have occurred. The fact that result was (almost certainly) a different result foregone conclusion - but with 'racing' involved - was totally what all the controversy was/is about.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Pretty much impossible to implement imo - maybe not in this case, but certainly when there is more than 1 SC period!
Full SC does have 1 benefit - which, as a safety one is quite important. By bunching the field up, there's a larger time gap for the damage, that triggered the SC, to be cleared.
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greenone
Active member
Which is why people saying the unlapping should have happened a lap earlier is spurious, because the released cars are going race pace to get back in the end of the pack. As it was according to the leaked photo the safety car in message was released before the track was clear IE Marshalls on track, imagine the potential carnage if the back markers are charging round to get back onto the pack whilst the Marshalls are still out cleaning up the fire fighting foam.
bobmac
Major Champion
And that is why the safety car always stays out for an extra lap, to make sure everyone is safe. Except that didn't happen.
If it did stay out for another lap like it always does, the laps run out, and Lewis wins behind the safety car which is what should have happened.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Why, when the SC comes out, don't the cars just stay in the order that they are on the track?
So if the SC comes out in front of the 18th place driver why don't they just keep the order..?
That would mean the leaders would likely have many back markers to overtake...
I'm sure there's a good reason why this doesn't happen but it would keep things fairer IMO
So if the SC comes out in front of the 18th place driver why don't they just keep the order..?
That would mean the leaders would likely have many back markers to overtake...
I'm sure there's a good reason why this doesn't happen but it would keep things fairer IMO
bobmac
Major Champion
Or when an accident happens, all cars go back to the pits, wait until the track is cleared and then each car is released in order and after the relevant time gap. That way, the race continues with all cars in the same order and the same time gap with no laps lost.
Whereditgo
Journeyman Pro
I thought about this one myself, but possibly the cars overheating would be a problem, with not enough room for each pit to have two cars with cooling fans attached at the same time?
greenone
Active member
Starts getting messy with cars on different laps,a race finishes behind the safety car which picks up the cars but the leader as at the back of the pack. Last lap the chequered flag waves for the leader but then the safety car and rest of the pack have to go around again to finish the race.
Whereditgo
Journeyman Pro
As with all sports it's pretty much impossible to compare across era's.
I too would rank Senna as No1 in my time. Senna and Shumacher both won titles when they weren't in the best car, I don't think that is likely to happen any more with there being such an emphasis on technology and set-up.
bobmac
Major Champion
But at least it would be the same for everyone
