Everyone breaks the rules

[Ethan]

Of course, a lot of fourballs in a medal play a little match for £1 each nine or whatever, but that is not a match played under the rules of golf. A match as part of your club knockout is played against the rules of golf, and because the rules differ for stroke and matchplay, you cannot play to both.

Any handicap adjustments made for a stroke round played with a concurrent match are not valid, so the club is also potentially cheating other players too.

 

[robbest3offthetee]

Ethan,Will certainly be bringing it up if it happens again at my place.....

 

[User 105]

Wasn't aware of the rule. So good one to know.

I played a singles match against one of the seniors last year and he asked me to mark a card for his seniors eclectic as well. Is that allowed ?

 

[Leftie]

As long as he putted out it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[bernix]

There is decision to rule 32

Who has got the honour in a Stableford competition?
The competitor with the lowest net score takes the honour at the next teeing ground in a Stableford competition.

I have never met a player complying with this rule, did you

 

[viscount17]

we usually start out that way but often degenerates into 'whoever is ready' 'cos some people are sloooooooooow!

 

[Ethan]

Who has got the honour in a Stableford competition?
The competitor with the lowest net score takes the honour at the next teeing ground in a Stableford competition.

That is not correct. The rules of golf recognise only matchplay and strokeplay. Stableford is simply a way of counting the stroke play score. The honour in stroke play and also stableford competitions is based on gross scores not net scores, but there is no penalty for playing out of turn unless the Committee decides there was an advantage gained through an agreement to play out of turn.

Also, the honour only changes if a hole is won outright. If players tee off one hole in the order A, B, C, then B and C both get a par and A gets a bogey, the order remains A, B, C because neither B nor C take the honour outright.

 

[Fyldewhite]

Who has got the honour in a Stableford competition?
The competitor with the lowest net score takes the honour at the next teeing ground in a Stableford competition.

That is not correct. The rules of golf recognise only matchplay and strokeplay. Stableford is simply a way of counting the stroke play score. The honour in stroke play and also stableford competitions is based on gross scores not net scores, but there is no penalty for playing out of turn unless the Committee decides there was an advantage gained through an agreement to play out of turn.

Also, the honour only changes if a hole is won outright. If players tee off one hole in the order A, B, C, then B and C both get a par and A gets a bogey, the order remains A, B, C because neither B nor C take the honour outright.

Hmmm........ not sure about either point .....

Rule 10-2
a. When Starting Play of Hole
.......The competitor with the lowest score at a hole takes the honour at the next teeing ground. The competitor with the second lowest score plays next and so on. If two or more competitors have the same score at a hole, they play from the next teeing ground in the same order as at the previous teeing ground.

This is ambiguous but they in this rule surely refers to the players concerned not the whole group. That said, I've seen the question of who has the honour interpreted quite differently in different areas of the country especially Scotland as opposed to England......so, if B and C both get a par and A gets a bogey the order is B, C, A. this is certainly how it works in these parts.

On the other point above, Rule 32-1 (not decisions) seems fairly clear.....

"In handicap bogey, par and Stableford competitions, the competitor with the lowest net score at a hole takes the honour at the next teeing ground."

Back to Original Topic...... Ethan, you are quite right in that running KO and Medal should result in DQ's (I'm not sure such scores would not be considered correct for handicapping) and our club will certainly be within the rules this season. I for one was not aware of that particular decision so thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Ethan]

Who has got the honour in a Stableford competition?
The competitor with the lowest net score takes the honour at the next teeing ground in a Stableford competition.

That is not correct. The rules of golf recognise only matchplay and strokeplay. Stableford is simply a way of counting the stroke play score. The honour in stroke play and also stableford competitions is based on gross scores not net scores, but there is no penalty for playing out of turn unless the Committee decides there was an advantage gained through an agreement to play out of turn.

Also, the honour only changes if a hole is won outright. If players tee off one hole in the order A, B, C, then B and C both get a par and A gets a bogey, the order remains A, B, C because neither B nor C take the honour outright.

Hmmm........ not sure about either point .....

Rule 10-2
a. When Starting Play of Hole
.......The competitor with the lowest score at a hole takes the honour at the next teeing ground. The competitor with the second lowest score plays next and so on. If two or more competitors have the same score at a hole, they play from the next teeing ground in the same order as at the previous teeing ground.

This is ambiguous but they in this rule surely refers to the players concerned not the whole group. That said, I've seen the question of who has the honour interpreted quite differently in different areas of the country especially Scotland as opposed to England......so, if B and C both get a par and A gets a bogey the order is B, C, A. this is certainly how it works in these parts.

On the other point above, Rule 32-1 (not decisions) seems fairly clear.....

"In handicap bogey, par and Stableford competitions, the competitor with the lowest net score at a hole takes the honour at the next teeing ground."

Back to Original Topic...... Ethan, you are quite right in that running KO and Medal should result in DQ's (I'm not sure such scores would not be considered correct for handicapping) and our club will certainly be within the rules this season. I for one was not aware of that particular decision so thanks for pointing it out.

Fair enough on the stableford net honour (I never count points until the end anyway), but the issue about 2 players sharing a score seems to fairly plainly mean that the honour doesn't change until someone wins the hole (net or otherwise). I think this has been upheld on the European Tour as well.

 

[Fyldewhite]

Fair enough on the stableford net honour (I never count points until the end anyway), but the issue about 2 players sharing a score seems to fairly plainly mean that the honour doesn't change until someone wins the hole (net or otherwise). I think this has been upheld on the European Tour as well.

Yup, like I said it's ambiguous wording and it seems, from my experience anyway, that interpretation seems to be regional. Perhaps somone can point us to a definitive answer? That said, no matter which is right, getting anyone to actually change would be a challenge to say the least !!

 

[Region3]

Players A, B, and C are in a medal and tee off in the order ABC.
A scores 4, B scores 9, and C scores 2.
Are we saying that they tee off on the next hole in the same order as the previous hole

Should be CAB imo.

I think the they in the snippet from the rules refers to the last mention of people ie. 2 or more competitors score the same.

The '2 or more competitiors' who scored the same should tee off in the same order. The third player tees off in the order relevant to his score on the previous hole.

 

[Bacardibatman]

I have seen match play games played during stroke play rounds but can't understand why people want to do it.

the whole Psychology is different when it comes to the one on one. The subleties of gamesmanship come in to it whether its an early gimme from a distance to over praise for average shots or standing that little bit closer than you would normally to a nervy player.
playing it in a stroke play round would take out all these little nuances

i take you also cough when theyre hitting their shot?
use the Ol' hand mashie? .....& leather wedge?

 

[Ethan]

Players A, B, and C are in a medal and tee off in the order ABC.
A scores 4, B scores 9, and C scores 2.
Are we saying that they tee off on the next hole in the same order as the previous hole

Who said they should tee off in the same order as the previous hole? Not me.

C has a lower score than A who has a lower score than B. C clearly has the honour.

 

[Region3]

Players A, B, and C are in a medal and tee off in the order ABC.
A scores 4, B scores 9, and C scores 2.
Are we saying that they tee off on the next hole in the same order as the previous hole

Who said they should tee off in the same order as the previous hole? Not me.

C has a lower score than A who has a lower score than B. C clearly has the honour.

My apologies, not a good example.

I read your previous post as meaning if B and C both make 4 and A has a 6, then the order remains ABC?

Where I play it would be BCA.

 

[Ethan]

Players A, B, and C are in a medal and tee off in the order ABC.
A scores 4, B scores 9, and C scores 2.
Are we saying that they tee off on the next hole in the same order as the previous hole

Who said they should tee off in the same order as the previous hole? Not me.

C has a lower score than A who has a lower score than B. C clearly has the honour.

My apologies, not a good example.

I read your previous post as meaning if B and C both make 4 and A has a 6, then the order remains ABC?

Where I play it would be BCA.

Right, but in the 4, 4, 6, there was no clear winner of the hole, so no change. the 2, 4, 9 example has a clear winner of the hole.