EU Referendum

[Doon frae Troon]

You seem to have missed the point.made many times that we can expect some initial pain for things to get better.
You are also missing the point that the pm does not need a Parliamentary vote to begin the leave process.

I am beginning to see some advantages in Brexit.

De-valued pound makes exports and inward tourism much cheaper.
Drastic fall in house prices enables new buyers a foot on the ladder.
Movement of financial institutions from London offers the opportunity to change their luxury offices into low cost community housing.
Population exodus from London will relieve congestion and allow golfers to get to their courses easier.
Canceling silly projects like HS2 and 4th Heathrow airport will save billions and help air quality.
Food price rise and shortages due to insufficient workers and dearer imports will help our overweight citizens lose weight.

There seems no end to this list

 

[vkurup]

Parliament voted in favour of that particular war with the PM in question, so not a great example to use of a PM riding roughshod over parliament as the exact opposite is true in that example...

Luckily unlike this time the basis of the vote was based on half truth, personal ambition rather than impact on society, a rosy view of how the world would be a better place without having thought through the long term impacts, not being responsible for the aftermath and the consequences of the actions etc. Surely we would never do such a thing...

 

[SocketRocket]

I am beginning to see some advantages in Brexit.

De-valued pound makes exports and inward tourism much cheaper.
Drastic fall in house prices enables new buyers a foot on the ladder.
Movement of financial institutions from London offers the opportunity to change their luxury offices into low cost community housing.
Population exodus from London will relieve congestion and allow golfers to get to their courses easier.
Canceling silly projects like HS2 and 4th Heathrow airport will save billions and help air quality.
Food price rise and shortages due to insufficient workers and dearer imports will help our overweight citizens lose weight.

There seems no end to this list

Can you enlighten me as to why you quoted my post. It seems to have no relevance to what you posted.

 

[Old Skier]

At the end of the day that is what they were elected to do, wholeheartedly agree that Joe Public shouldnt have had this vote.

Bit like the Indy vote really, has Joe Public living in Scotland enough information and ability to decide such a major issue. Let's leave it to Westminister and the 650 paid up experts to make the decision .

 

[FairwayDodger]

Bit like the Indy vote really, has Joe Public living in Scotland enough information and ability to decide such a major issue. Let's leave it to Westminister and the 650 paid up experts to make the decision .

I don't agree with this but, if it was, you are delegating the decision to the wrong parliament. Just as I wrongly assumed socket did earlier.

 

[BubbaP]

Wow, this thread has legs. We may need a second referendum just to justify its existence

Not directly related, but UK will definitely have a female PM then. Don't know why it needs to take so long for members to decide through.
Assume Clinton is just about favourite for the hot seat in the US.
Just an observation, no more, no less.

 

[SocketRocket]

I don't agree with this but, if it was, you are delegating the decision to the wrong parliament. Just as I wrongly assumed socket did earlier.

Do you think the Scottish Parliament should take the decision to leave the UK without referendum?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Do you think the Scottish Parliament should take the decision to leave the UK without referendum?

Of course not!

 

[harpo_72]

Do you think the leavers can lead by example and work through this ? Set an example build their new utopia?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Do you think the leavers can lead by example and work through this ? Set an example build their new utopia?

The signs are not encouraging.

 

[SocketRocket]

Of course not!

So referendums do have their place in democracy.

 

[SocketRocket]

Do you think the leavers can lead by example and work through this ? Set an example build their new utopia?

I guess you mean the new government. The Leavers are the majority that voted to leave the EU, they obviously wont be 'leading by example and working through this' Thats what we pay our elected representatives to do for us.

'Setting an example and building a new Utopia' is an emotional and cynical statement that you seem prone to. Try and debate without this vitriolic outpouring, your points may be better considered and replied to if you did.

 

[Imurg]

We need to get away from the labeling - Leaver/Remainer...it's old news
We're all Leavers now whether we like it or not
Labeling just engenders division.
We are The UK.....

 

[harpo_72]

I guess you mean the new government. The Leavers are the majority that voted to leave the EU, they obviously wont be 'leading by example and working through this' Thats what we pay our elected representatives to do for us.

'Setting an example and building a new Utopia' is an emotional and cynical statement that you seem prone to. Try and debate without this vitriolic outpouring, your points may be better considered and replied to if you did.

You missed the the point of the question, I am not talking about the government I am talking about the voters....

 

[harpo_72]

We need to get away from the labeling - Leaver/Remainer...it's old news
We're all Leavers now whether we like it or not
Labeling just engenders division.
We are The UK.....

I would rather keep them, it's like saying all Germans were nazis ( which may be a strong analogy but some of us don't care to be classified the same)

 

[Imurg]

I would rather keep them, it's like saying all Germans were nazis ( which may be a strong analogy but some of us don't care to be classified the same)

Then the Country will never be able to move on.
We'll be shackled with brackets and either the word Leaver or Remainer after our names for all eternity.

Continual moaning one way or the other isn't going to change anything.
Unless we all start going in the same direction UK will be in an even worse state.

My last post on any Political thread if I can help it.......

 

[Hobbit]

Then the Country will never be able to move on.
We'll be shackled with brackets and either the word Leaver or Remainer after our names for all eternity.

Continual moaning one way or the other isn't going to change anything.
Unless we all start going in the same direction UK will be in an even worse state.

My last post on any Political thread if I can help it.......

Bet you do

 

[USER1999]

Do you think the leavers can lead by example and work through this ? Set an example build their new utopia?

While they do this, the other half of the country are sat on their collective arse, moaning, and not helping. That's useful. Really useful.
And what we had in the EU was hardly Utopia either. It had huge faults, and that's why a majority voted to leave it.

 

[FairwayDodger]

So referendums do have their place in democracy.

I think you're arguing with the wrong person on this one.

 

[FairwayDodger]

While they do this, the other half of the country are sat on their collective arse, moaning, and not helping. That's useful. Really useful.
And what we had in the EU was hardly Utopia either. It had huge faults, and that's why a majority voted to leave it.

Helping? Help with what? The leaders of the leavers have done what they do best - screwed things up and run away. Nothing seems to be happening at all. No plan, no leadership, no clue.

Wishful thinking that remainders are going to just suck it up and join in with that shambles. The current situation will persist at least until the government start tackling the implications of the vote. If we're all still bitching about it once "progress" starts being made you might have a point but we seem a long way from that stage.