EU Referendum

[bobmac]

To those who wanted to remain........
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THHE MINDS OF THOSE WHO WANTED TO LEAVE

To those who wanted to leave........
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE MINDS OF THOSE WHO WANTED TO REMAIN

All this bickeri......... sorry debating, is not going to change one iota.

To those who wanted to remain........
I suggest you write a strongly worded letter to Cameron, get it all off your chest and then move on with your life because like it or not, WE ARE LEAVING THE EU.

The alternative is to moan, winge and stir up trouble in the hope that Britain goes down the toilet, just so you can say ''I told you so''

 

[Hacker Khan]

I am beginning to see some advantages in Brexit.

De-valued pound makes exports and inward tourism much cheaper.
Drastic fall in house prices enables new buyers a foot on the ladder.
Movement of financial institutions from London offers the opportunity to change their luxury offices into low cost community housing.
Population exodus from London will relieve congestion and allow golfers to get to their courses easier.
Canceling silly projects like HS2 and 4th Heathrow airport will save billions and help air quality.
Food price rise and shortages due to insufficient workers and dearer imports will help our overweight citizens lose weight.

There seems no end to this list

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/brexiters-excuses-increasingly-bollocks-20160707110366

 

[bluewolf]

To those who wanted to remain........
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THHE MINDS OF THOSE WHO WANTED TO LEAVE

To those who wanted to leave........
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE MINDS OF THOSE WHO WANTED TO REMAIN

All this bickeri......... sorry debating, is not going to change one iota.

To those who wanted to remain........
I suggest you write a strongly worded letter to Cameron, get it all off your chest and then move on with your life because like it or not, WE ARE LEAVING THE EU.

The alternative is to moan, winge and stir up trouble in the hope that Britain goes down the toilet, just so you can say ''I told you so''

As a dedicated Remainer (who hasn't moaned even once thank you very much), I should just raise 2 points.

1. It most certainly is not set in stone that "WE ARE LEAVING THE EU." There is a strong possibility that Article 50 will never be initiated.

2. Remainers aren't the only ones who are maneuvering themselves into a position whereby they can claim some sort of moral victory if the economy tanks. There are plenty of posts on here stating that all the negative talk from some of the Remain camp may itself cause the market to contract. If enough people believe this claptrap then the Leave camp are in a Win/Win position. If the economy strengthens, it's because we left the EU. If the economy flounders it's because of the Remainers negative attitudes.

Personally, I think we should just get on with it and initiate Article 50. I'm sick to the back teeth of the whiny, self indulgent attitudes of a minority of both camps. It was voted for, so just get on with doing what you've been told to do.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I was certainly very upset by the vote but, after a few days, I got past that and accepted the result and that we are out. What outrages me now is that we are in limbo due to the complete lack of leadership as the tories jostle for position to turn this fiasco to their personal advantage.

Bob is right, I'll never change my mind that it was the wrong decision but it is what it is and the longer we delay the worse things will be.

What we have done is the equivalent of a stroppy teenager telling his parents he hates them before running off to his room and refusing to come out.

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

Helping? Help with what? The leaders of the leavers have done what they do best - screwed things up and run away. Nothing seems to be happening at all. No plan, no leadership, no clue.

Wishful thinking that remainders are going to just suck it up and join in with that shambles. The current situation will persist at least until the government start tackling the implications of the vote. If we're all still bitching about it once "progress" starts being made you might have a point but we seem a long way from that stage.

Cameron stood at the last election on the idea that thought the UK was better in the EU but was perfectly capable of working outside it if he couldn't get the deal we needed, promising to call a referendum and lead us through to the next election before standing down.
He got voted in. He made his best deal. He called his referendum.
One "Why should I deal with this mess" later..
He throws his toys out of the pram and sits in the corner sucking his thumb doing sweet FA.
Why should he deal with it?
BECAUSE IT'S YOUR BLOODY JOB!!!
He's the man in place. He's the one with the relationship with these people. He should be setting the ground rules for the negotiations - both candidates will need them.
He could be sending envoys to India and China - we'll need to talk to them pretty soon.
How about a quick working holiday to the US?
Obama isn't going to be in power for much longer but he still gets out of bed every day and goes to work. And if Russia invades he'll deal with it. He won't say come back next year when we have a new leader.
Rant? Moi? I couldn't possibly say 😆

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Why does it take the Conservative party 2 months to choose between 2 people? Two weeks, yes, two months no. That is creating a power vacuum that is allowing the uncertainty to occur. We need a new leader, invoke article 50 the day after the new cabinet is announced with a minister for Brexit in charge of a team of negotiators. We are only waiting until September as that fits in with the Conservative party conference. Utterly selfish and self indulgent.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Everyone seems to have forgotten that our MP's have a couple of months of holidays to come first.
Don't worry, they will sort out the meltdown of the UK once they come back.

It will all be over by Christmas, honest.

 

[Slime]

We need to get away from the labeling - Leaver/Remainer...it's old news
We're all Leavers now whether we like it or not
Labeling just engenders division.
We are The UK.....

:clap:

100% Correct ............................... like it or not.
Let's all work together and see where it takes us!

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

Everyone seems to have forgotten that our MP's have a couple of months of holidays to come first.
Don't worry, they will sort out the meltdown of the UK once they come back.

It will all be over by Christmas, honest.

The meltdown or the holiday?

:thup:

 

[jp5]

I suggest you write a strongly worded letter to Cameron, get it all off your chest and then move on with your life because like it or not, WE ARE LEAVING THE EU.

Given that the first opportunity to leave the EU has already been missed I wouldn't be so sure!

 

[USER1999]

Surely before article 50 is invoked, the UK needs to investigate which is the best and preferred exit model. This will take time, and needs to be the correct option. Only when this is decided should actual exit be even considered. To start the two year exit clock ticking now would be very stupid.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Surely before article 50 is invoked, the UK needs to investigate which is the best and preferred exit model. This will take time, and needs to be the correct option. Only when this is decided should actual exit be even considered. To start the two year exit clock ticking now would be very stupid.

So from experience of the past 2 weeks we'll be invoking it any day now.

 

[SocketRocket]

Surely before article 50 is invoked, the UK needs to investigate which is the best and preferred exit model. This will take time, and needs to be the correct option. Only when this is decided should actual exit be even considered. To start the two year exit clock ticking now would be very stupid.

isn't the preferred model 'access to the Free Market and control of immigration'. I know this is asking a lot to be realised but I would say it has to be the starting point for negotiations.

 

[USER1999]

isn't the preferred model 'access to the Free Market and control of immigration'. I know this is asking a lot to be realised but I would say it has to be the starting point for negotiations.

Sure, but that's not going to happen. It's just not going to be that simple.

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

isn't the preferred model 'access to the Free Market and control of immigration'. I know this is asking a lot to be realised but I would say it has to be the starting point for negotiations.

I think it's pretty much the only important negotiating point for the time being.

But I also think that was exactly what Cameron would have had to back to the EU with if we had voted to stay in anyway.

I've said it somewhere else before, but I don't think the basis of the agreement is hard either:
Free immigration is only available if the person is coming to a job already in place and contracted. Other than that people can come looking for work but only for 12 months without finding one.
Immigration figures come down - temporary migrant figures go up.

It's only a starting point, but it's an immediate face saver for the Tories, and in theory it gives us sovereignty over anyone not coming to a job. Same as the Australian method (sort of). Benefits, access to the NHS etc can easily follow on once we get started talking.

We just have to get started talking.......

 

[SocketRocket]

You missed the the point of the question, I am not talking about the government I am talking about the voters....

I dont believe I did. The 'Leavers' as you call them were asked to vote on their preference to stay or leave the EU, it's not for the great unwashed to then carry through the process of making that happen or to run the country, as I explained we employ our representatives to do that for us.

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

Sure, but that's not going to happen. It's just not going to be that simple.

Oh ye of little faith. Give me a Teresa May wig, access to the government drinks cabinet and a few meetings with the EU leaders and I'll get some photos we can use to guarantee it.

:cheers:

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

.....we employ our representatives to do that for us.

Sorry, had to laugh at that bit.

I don't think they think they have any obligation to do that at all.

I would suggest asking them, but I don't think there are any left around to ask.

 

[SocketRocket]

Sure, but that's not going to happen. It's just not going to be that simple.

But it that simple and has to be the starting point for negotiations. Cameron tried asking for what he thought he might get away with last time he went to the EU and didn't even come close to getting that, although I expect a number of people in the EU are probably wishing they had been a bit more generous now. If you went into your boss for a wage increase you wouldn't start asking for something less that you want.

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

If you went into your boss for a wage increase you wouldn't start asking for something less that you want.

No, what I'd do is get a job offer from another company and take it to my boss with my resignation letter and start talking.

I wouldn't go in there saying: "I'm off - I really mean it.......I do you know.......any second now - once I go through that door I'm off - I am....There's plenty of people out there who would love to have me. Just you wait...."