EU Referendum

This is a British matter, no one else's. We are quite capable of making up our minds without their input. Do you think the American public would take kindly to Cameron interfering in their affairs of state? Tell them who he thinks they should align themselves to. Not on your life.
 
MarkE said:
I'd love Boris to become PM. Better than smarmy Cameron or Osbourne. At least he's his own man.
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If you read much of BoJo's writings on Europe it is hard not to think that his current position is nothing more than political opportunism.
 
MarkE said:
This is a British matter, no one else's. We are quite capable of making up our minds without their input. Do you think the American public would take kindly to Cameron interfering in their affairs of state? Tell them who he thinks they should align themselves to. Not on your life.
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Brexiteers wish there to be future trade agreements struck with the United States. We are told that we will be able to strike such agreements, and indeed they will be better than what we have in place at the moment through the EU. But as that is all aspiration and based on nothing more than supposition - surely then it is a valuable starting point to hear the view of the United States on such future agreements. That is not USA interfering - it is them giving a view on something we will be going to them for.

If the Obama was to say - yes sure - no problem - easy to strike up a cracking deal for the UK in two shakes of a lambs tail - then I am sure we'd be hearing a lot of it from BoZo and his chums. And why not - it would indeed be very positive and a solid grounding for the sort of statements BoZo makes about trade agreements.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Brexiteers wish there to be future trade agreements struck with the United States. We are told that we will be able to strike such agreements, and indeed they will be better than what we have in place at the moment through the EU. But as that is all aspiration and based on nothing more than supposition - surely then it is a valuable starting point to hear the view of the United States on such future agreements. That is not USA interfering - it is them giving a view on something we will be going to them for.

If the Obama was to say - yes sure - no problem - easy to strike up a cracking deal for the UK in two shakes of a lambs tail - then I am sure we'd be hearing a lot of it from BoZo and his chums. And why not - it would indeed be very positive and a solid grounding for the sort of statements BoZo makes about trade agreements.
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Of course we will trade with the usa, no matter what. The UK has alot to offer and everyone will want to trade with us, why would'nt they? Obama IS interfering, coming over and speaking in favour of staying. Again, America would'nt entertain us interfering in their national campaigns. How about Cameron takes a trip and gives interviews on why Trump should'nt be president. He'd be given short shrift.
If he was coming to encourage us to leave the eu, it would'nt alter my view. Keep your nose out of our affairs.
 
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MarkE said:
Of course we will trade with the usa, no matter what. The UK has alot to offer and everyone will want to trade with us, why would'nt they? Obama IS interfering, coming over and speaking in favour of staying. Again, America would'nt entertain us interfering in their national campaigns. How about Cameron takes a trip and gives interviews on why Trump should'nt be president. He'd be given short shrift.
If he was coming to encourage us to leave the eu, it would'nt alter my view. Keep your nose out of our affairs.
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But he's not telling us what to do though. He's giving a US perspective on the arrangements he thinks work best for the US and UK/EU. Do you not want to hear that? If the USofA had absolutely no business with the UK and the EU - well yes - it would be none of their business. But the trading arrangements that they'll be asked to negotiate with the UK are absolutely their business and so we should listen to what they say on these matters.

Besides - I don't get why Brexiteers have got annoyed by this - surely anything that informs the debate is worth listening to. We listen - we accept or we ignore - but first we listen.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Besides - I don't get why Brexiteers have got annoyed by this - surely anything that informs the debate is worth listening to. We listen - we accept or we ignore - but first we listen.
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I'm not interested what Obama thinks will happen if we leave. Why dos'nt Cameron let it be known what his strategy is if we vote out. I know he backs the status quo, but it's possible it may not go his way, so what will he do? That's what interests me. How is he going to go about extricating ourselves from the eu?
 
MarkE said:
I'm not interested what Obama thinks will happen if we leave. Why dos'nt Cameron let it be known what his strategy is if we vote out. I know he backs the status quo, but it's possible it may not go his way, so what will he do? That's what interests me. How is he going to go about extricating ourselves from the eu?
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Well you should be if you expect us to maintain a healthy trading relationship with one of the major economies in the world.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Besides - I don't get why Brexiteers have got annoyed by this - surely anything that informs the debate is worth listening to. We listen - we accept or we ignore - but first we listen.
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He didn't inform the debate, he just said he would prefer if we stay in. No mention of what would happen if we left.What would happen if Russian or Chinese leaders stood up and said they wished we would leave the EU as it would be easier to trade with the U.K.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Well you should be if you expect us to maintain a healthy trading relationship with one of the major economies in the world.
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Really don't want to get into the middle of all of this, but Obama is currently on his farewell tour and both houses in the US are under Republican control, so while the office of US President would be key to what would happen if we did vote to leave, Obama is irrelevant at this stage IMO as he'll be gone very soon.

It would be more relevant to have discussions with leading members of the parties in Washington and probably Hilary as the current front runner for the next POTUS.
 
MarkE said:
Why? There's no reason our trade with the US and the rest won't flourish outside of the eu. If they want our goods and services (which they will) it dos'nt matter what Obama thinks.
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Well if Trump gets in with his make America great rhetoric then they won't be begging to trade with us. Not sure if you are aware how difficult it currently is to get stuff sold in the US if it was not manufactured there. If any republican gets in it will get a hell of a lot harder and I can't help thinking being inside a massive trade bloc with huge clout like the EU will help us more than trying out on our own.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Well if Trump gets in with his make America great rhetoric then they won't be begging to trade with us. Not sure if you are aware how difficult it currently is to get stuff sold in the US if it was not manufactured there. If any republican gets in it will get a hell of a lot harder and I can't help thinking being inside a massive trade bloc with huge clout like the EU will help us more than trying out on our own.
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Don't be stupid. GREAT Britain remember. Let's put the Great back in it. Don't use your silly logic and reasoning here.
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
Don't be stupid. GREAT Britain remember. Let's put the Great back in it. Don't use your silly logic and reasoning here.
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You are right - of course - we are GREAT Britain - not tiddly Britain. Being GREAT makes us great to do trade with - well it would wouldn't it. You know I plum forgot how being Great Britain makes all the difference. As you say - how could I be so silly to overlook this greatness that makes us so irresistible - so irresistible that the world will come rushing to Boris's door seeking trade deals even as we ignore what they say today. Because they out there just can't do without us.
 
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