EU Referendum

Doon frae Troon said:
Jeremy Clarkson ehh, along with the EDF BNP UKIP, Bonkin Boris, Gove, The Queen, Grayson IDS, etc etc.

Such a tough decision to make, I will have to think a bit harder.
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Plenty of eminent business leaders backing an exit, it's easy to focus on the divisive characters.
A quick search brings up plenty of successful businessmen backing the exit.
Nigel Wilson , ceo of Legal & general.
John Foster, founder of Reebok.
John Caudwell, founder of Phones 4 u
Crispin Odey and Sir Michael Hintze, London Hedge funds.
To name but a few.
I see Richard Branson is a bit of a poster boy (any google search for 'stay' brings up his name) for the campaign to stay in the eu. Pity that did'nt stretch to actually staying in the UK. Preferring to Leave for sunnier climes.
 
Old Skier said:
Then I must apologise as I presumed that the flag meant you were from Ireland. You give the impression that you hate anyone or anything that doesn't fit into your mind set. I'm sure that's not true. You need to come up with a non addictive chill pill.
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I am from Ireland, the Northern part. I don't hate anyone that doesn't fit into my mindset, not at all. I know many such people as friends and work with many others, although no admitted Trump supporters amongst my US colleagues.

Also, unlike some people here, my mindset is capable of learning and changing its mind and is not fixed.
 
Can someone explain why the EU headquarters remains in Brussels, at huge expense. It's the EU, it could be run from anywhere, mainly Poland, where it's cheaper. In 2020, it could be some flea pad in Turkey. Cheap as chips.
 
drdel said:
Interesting the Ms Sturgeon has started muttering about Scotland re-running their referendum !

So Scotland wants to be independent, Wales has it, to a degree. Yugoslavia is now 5 small countries and the Czechs split up their nation. The USSR fell apart.

The EU is a political experiment in ideology the economic logic or 'local' trade and cooperation between nations will continue because the multinational firms will still find it advantageous. The UK will not be isolated because businesses will have no reason to make it so.

The EU carries huge overheads that consume the wealth of the member states. The UK could invest this wasted money within the country thereby decreasing the imbalance in our trade surplus and the velocity of money inside the UK raising the tax take from VAT.

A large proportion of the 'research' budget that comes through the EU is wasted through the manner in which Universities are forced the partner with organisation is certain member states who largely only take the money and contribute next to nowt in the projects.

UK Universities would do well to cut out a load of the rubbish subjects they teach and call research conduct and compete on a world stage along with the UK. At present the EU provides a soft touch and the system is bloated.

We have no need to fear Brexit and once we focus on the world market we will realise it offers a much better and certain future.
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No she is not. She is saying that the SNP must start remaking the case for independence.
 
And so when President Obama visits in April he is going to suggest that actually - all things considered - his view is that for security and economic reasons it's best that Uk remains part of the EU. And he is told to 'butt out' by BoZo.

Is this not the leader of one of the main countries that a Brexitted UK will be forming new - as yet undefined - transatlantic economic relationships and agreements with. Should BoZo and the Brexiteers therefore not be actively engaging in discussions with Pres Obama about the nature of the new agreements; and understanding issues and concerns the US might have in respect of these agreements; and indeed understanding where things would be straightforward and beneficial to the UK.

But no. Bozo tells Obama to keep his nose out of our business. Avoidance and deflection - BoZo's #1 tactic when feeling challenged.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And so when President Obama visits in April he is going to suggest that actually - all things considered - his view is that for security and economic reasons it's best that Uk remains part of the EU. And he is told to 'butt out' by BoZo.

Is this not the leader of one of the main countries that a Brexitted UK will be forming new - as yet undefined - transatlantic economic relationships and agreements with. Should BoZo and the Brexiteers therefore not be actively engaging in discussions with Pres Obama about the nature of the new agreements; and understanding issues and concerns the US might have in respect of these agreements; and indeed understanding where things would be straightforward and beneficial to the UK.

But no. Bozo tells Obama to keep his nose out of our business. Avoidance and deflection - BoZo's #1 tactic when feeling challenged.
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Boris is correct, Obama should Butt Out of UK business where the EU is concerned. It suits the USA for the UK to be their puppet in the EU, for us to be their way of having insider influence. We should be big enough to tell him that we are no ones bitch! How hypocritical if he does that as the USA would never consider being part of a larger confederation.

How exactly do you expect those wanting the UK out of the EU (UKOUT) to have all these future trade agreements specified at this time. We have a formal Government policy, including the leader campaigning against UKOUT, as I suggested previously I cannot see why he had not already spent more time over this and discussed trade agreements so he could put a balanced view to the electorate that he has passed the decision over to, what kind of decision are people supposed to make when not given the alternative, well unless the alternative is that everyone will lose their jobs, we will no longer have any trade, massive migrant camps will be built in Dover and the Pound will be worthless. :rolleyes:
 
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I would'nt bother SocketRocket. The stay brigade are quite happy for the eu to dictate to us, so why should they have any concerns about Obama sticking his oar in. Is there anyone they are not happy to bow down to?
 
MarkE said:
I would'nt bother SocketRocket. The stay brigade are quite happy for the eu to dictate to us, so why should they have any concerns about Obama sticking his oar in. Is there anyone they are not happy to bow down to?
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Yes!

Nigel Farage and the editors of the Mail and Express.
 
MarkE said:
I would'nt bother SocketRocket. The stay brigade are quite happy for the eu to dictate to us, so why should they have any concerns about Obama sticking his oar in. Is there anyone they are not happy to bow down to?
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Is Obama not simply saying that as the USA has good and long standing agreements in place with the EU, it would prefer to continue to make agreements with the EU as a whole in the future rather than have to make separate ones with the UK and the EU. And he says this because he thinks that better deals are possible with one body rather than with separate ones. He is not telling us what the UK should do - he is giving us his perspective on what the USA would prefer to do - should we not know that?

Surely this is everything to do with the Brexit claim that as a separate country the UK be able to form trading agreements with the likes of the USA that will be more beneficial than those currently in place. Obama says - USA would prefer to do deals that involve the UK - with the UK in the EU.

However if you want UK out of the EU then you ignore what he says - simple - but lets hear the US perspective - after all are they not our most valuable trading partner outside of the EU?
 
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