EU Referendum

[MegaSteve]

Just back from a walk down the High St...
And, the world seems to be functioning perfectly well...


A justified poke in the eye for the establishment and big business...
Sadly, they'll find a way around it and all will be back to normal in no time at all...

The world, whatever the final result, was never gonna come to an end...

Onward and upward....

 

[bobmac]

We could have changed the eu. We could have stayed and played our part to make it better for ourselves, our European neighbours and the rest of the world.

We didn't. In truth, we never properly engaged with it. We're a small minded, insular country that grows more irrelevant in international terms with each passing government.

We had a great chance to mean something in the modern world and we turned our backs.

To be fair Karen, the governments of the past 40 years didn't change much and I couldn't see that changing in the forseable future, time for a change.

 

[FairwayDodger]

To be fair Karen, the governments of the past 40 years didn't change much and I couldn't see that changing in the forseable future, time for a change.

A change was needed Bob. But in the opposite direction, I'm afraid. More international cooperation, not less.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

We could have changed the eu. We could have stayed and played our part to make it better for ourselves, our European neighbours and the rest of the world.

We didn't. In truth, we never properly engaged with it. We're a small minded, insular country that grows more irrelevant in international terms with each passing government.

We had a great chance to mean something in the modern world and we turned our backs.

You would have had more chance in getting those flying pigs to break formation.

 

[bobmac]

Now we have do that on our own.

But we'll have £8.5bn MORE to do it with than we had yesterday

 

[MarkE]

Is Sturgeon, by pushing for a new referendum, just going to ignore the wishes of the million+ Scots who voted to leave?

 

[Junior]

My mate in Japan just sent this......I like what he wrote so thought I'd share

I don't understand a lot of the panic. I wish I could give the UK a big scouser style "Calm down, calm down." We're alright, it's gonna be OK. The rules we interact with Europe with will change -- in about 2 years -- but are we entering the Dark Ages? Never gonna happen. We will still sell things to Europe, they will still buy things from us. We will still go on holiday there; they will still come here. In the Information Age it is literally impossible, I think, to fight the current of culture sharing and exchange. I know being in or out of the EU will not change my sentiment to my European friends and family, or my idea of myself as an Englishman and a European. I don't need a central committee in Europe to complete that feeling, and neither should anyone. If they did, well hmm, that's a bit strange.
The UK just made a big decision, but nothing is irretrievable: when it comes to manmade human affairs, we can come back from anything.

I wouldn't worry too much about the economic stuff [because what are you gonna do; the economy is out of any one agent's hands]. People are spectacularly bad at predicting economic outcomes -- funnily enough, economists are prime suspects here; they did not save us from 2008, or any of the disasters before that -- and that is the way it should be. If anyone could predict what the system would do, it wouldn't work [because they could make all the right bets and "win" the game]. Brexit could be absolutely great in the long term. Or not. Who knows, and why speculate---as I say, our track record at predicting economic outcomes is so bad, it's instant "no sale!" territory for me when anyone, on any side, says "this is what will happen."

We had a democratic vote, Britain voted to leave the EU. I for one, cannot believe that those who voted "Remain" would now suddenly be incapable of living in the same country alongside those who voted "Leave." So many newspapers talking about a country divided, etc... We have elections every four, five years. Have done for centuries. Is the country ripped apart every election? Does it never come back together again the first Monday morning after elections? Of course not. Life goes on.

Don't be worried!

 

[bluewolf]

Is Sturgeon, by pushing for a new referendum, just going to ignore the wishes of the million+ Scots who voted to leave?

What, in favour of the many more who voted to Remain?.. Goddamn you Democracy, Goddamn you all to hell

 

[pendodave]

You would have had more chance in getting those flying pigs to break formation.

And there's the rub.

It must be a possibility that the EU now changes for the better to avoid similar votes in other countries. And we won't still be in it to enjoy the benefits... Not sure if that's exactly a catch-22, but I can't help thinking that all sides would have benefited from a more far sighted and flexible approach to the 'opt out' negotiations earlier this year.

The trouble is, the rich and powerful very rarely suffer the consequences of their grandstanding.

 

[bluewolf]

But we'll have £8.5bn MORE to do it with than we had yesterday

I genuinely hope that's true. However, bearing in mind the economic hit we've just taken, there is a chance that we might not...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But we'll have £8.5bn MORE to do it with than we had yesterday

And you trust our government to spend that wisely

And I have no doubt that figure will reduce because of leaving the EU - have you not seen how it hit the markets this morning ?

 

[MegaSteve]

A change was needed Bob. But in the opposite direction, I'm afraid. More international cooperation, not less.

Unfortunately that usually goes hand in hand with handing yet more power to big business...

Which is what many like myself find hard to stomach...

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Can't help now it's all done and dusted that we missed a trick with Europe. Whatever nation is proposing an EU change, a quick round of Jeux Sans Frontiers and if they win or get enough points playing their joker it gets passed. Too late for us now of course

 

[MarkE]

What, in favour of the many more who voted to Remain?.. Goddamn you Democracy, Goddamn you all to hell

Exactly. Where do you stop? The eu referendum was a clear result to leave. Are you going to force those Scots back into the eu, after they voted out?

 

[Rooter]

Was there ever a more important time to 'buy british' whether thats cars, insurance, food, technology, services? If we want to flourish as a nation, the people need to support the business! So bye bye BMW and Hello Jaguar (i know they are not owned in the UK, but they employ a heck of a lot of people!) Just an example...

But also a time to implement better taxation regimes for international business (read Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

But we'll have £8.5bn MORE to do it with than we had yesterday

Nice to hear Farage saying earlier that the claim that the NHS could benefit from £350m was a mistake.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...million-pledge-to-fund-the-nhs-was-a-mistake/

 

[ColchesterFC]

And I have no doubt that figure will reduce because of leaving the EU - have you not seen how it hit the markets this morning ?

It was always going to hit the markets LP. Yesterday the pound reached $1.5 at one point due to market speculation and people trying to get rich off the result so it always did have further to fall. Looking at the markets this morning the last figures I saw was the the FTSE was down around 5% compared to 10% in Spain and Italy and generally around 7-8% in the rest of Europe. The markets recovered after 2008 and they will recover again after this. They might have a bit further to fall before they bounce back but bounce back they certainly will as people realise that there is money to be made at the share prices being offered and start buying again. To look at the markets the day after the result and use it to suggest a longer term trend or to say "I told you so" is pointless.

 

[bluewolf]

It was always going to hit the markets LP. Yesterday the pound reached $1.5 at one point due to market speculation and people trying to get rich off the result so it always did have further to fall. Looking at the markets this morning the last figures I saw was the the FTSE was down around 5% compared to 10% in Spain and Italy and generally around 7-8% in the rest of Europe. The markets recovered after 2008 and they will recover again after this. They might have a bit further to fall before they bounce back but bounce back they certainly will as people realise that there is money to be made at the share prices being offered and start buying again. To look at the markets the day after the result and use it to suggest a longer term trend or to say "I told you so" is pointless.

I'm just glad that I'm going All-Inclusive next month....

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Is Sturgeon, by pushing for a new referendum, just going to ignore the wishes of the million+ Scots who voted to leave?

And if Indyref2 is called by Westminster in the years to come - those who voted NO first time round can vote NO again. And Scotland stays 'left'

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Interesting development.


http://www.ft.com/fastft/2016/06/24/scotland-n-ireland-can-stay-in-eu-says-merkel-ally/

What am I supposed to be looking at here? It's all pretty much the same stuff thats been on the BBC website all morning.