EU Referendum

[Deleted member 15344]

I am told by many people that are voting to remain that they are frightened to stand alone in this big world, I would like to remind them of some recent history.

We joined the European community in 1973, 12 years later we found ourselves standing alone against Argentina, nobody, including our so-called friends in Europe came to help, in-fact, everyone turned their back on us, hundreds of our brave men were killed and injured, many by EXOCET missiles at the time being manufactured and sold to Argentina by the French Government!

Nuff said!

The European Community, of which the United Kingdom is a member, fully supported the UK's position and opposed the invasion of the Falklands, the community also supported the United Nations Resolution requesting that Argentina withdraw from the islands. When Argentina refused, the community announced sanctions against Argentina. Today, the present European Union recognises the UK's sovereignty as the only legitimate claim and this is recognised in the Treaty of Lisbon, with all member states (apart from Spain which is Neutral), individually recognising it.

French involvement
The President of France, François Mitterrand, gave full support to the UK in the Falklands war. Sir John Nott, who was Secretary of State for Defence during the conflict, has acknowledged in his memoirs that "in so many ways Mitterrand and the French were our greatest allies".

large part of Argentina's military equipment was French-made, so French support was crucial. Sir John has revealed that France provided Mirage and Etendard aircraft, identical to the ones that the country had supplied to Argentina, for British pilots to train against. It is also disclosed in Sir John's memoirs that France provided intelligence to help fight the Exocet missiles that she had sold to Argentina, including details of special electronic countermeasures that at the time were only known to the French armed forces. In her memoirs, Margaret Thatcher says of Mitterrand that "I never forgot the debt we owed him for his personal support...throughout the Falklands Crisis". As France had recently sold Super Etendard aircraft and Exocet missiles to the Argentine Navy, there was still a French team in Argentina helping to fit out the Exocets and aircraft for Argentine use at the beginning of the war. Argentina claims that the team left for France soon after the 2 April invasion, but according to Dr. James Corum, the French team apparently continued to assist the Argentines throughout the war in spite of the NATO embargo and official French government policy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_Falklands_War

 

[Hobbit]

The European Community, of which the United Kingdom is a member, fully supported the UK's position and opposed the invasion of the Falklands, the community also supported the United Nations Resolution requesting that Argentina withdraw from the islands. When Argentina refused, the community announced sanctions against Argentina. Today, the present European Union recognises the UK's sovereignty as the only legitimate claim and this is recognised in the Treaty of Lisbon, with all member states (apart from Spain which is Neutral), individually recognising it.

French involvement
The President of France, François Mitterrand, gave full support to the UK in the Falklands war. Sir John Nott, who was Secretary of State for Defence during the conflict, has acknowledged in his memoirs that "in so many ways Mitterrand and the French were our greatest allies".

large part of Argentina's military equipment was French-made, so French support was crucial. Sir John has revealed that France provided Mirage and Etendard aircraft, identical to the ones that the country had supplied to Argentina, for British pilots to train against. It is also disclosed in Sir John's memoirs that France provided intelligence to help fight the Exocet missiles that she had sold to Argentina, including details of special electronic countermeasures that at the time were only known to the French armed forces. In her memoirs, Margaret Thatcher says of Mitterrand that "I never forgot the debt we owed him for his personal support...throughout the Falklands Crisis". As France had recently sold Super Etendard aircraft and Exocet missiles to the Argentine Navy, there was still a French team in Argentina helping to fit out the Exocets and aircraft for Argentine use at the beginning of the war. Argentina claims that the team left for France soon after the 2 April invasion, but according to Dr. James Corum, the French team apparently continued to assist the Argentines throughout the war in spite of the NATO embargo and official French government policy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_Falklands_War

Remind me what Spain's stance was?????

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Remind me what Spain's stance was?????

Operation Algeciras ?

But the point the initial post attempting to connect The EU and Referendum to the Falklands War is typical of the sort of stuff that has be regurgitated all over social media - same with the EU army and countless over social media campaign attempting to discredit the EU and attempting to connect them with anything people think will stir up the masses.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I am told by many people that are voting to remain that they are frightened to stand alone in this big world, I would like to remind them of some recent history.

We joined the European community in 1973, 12 years later we found ourselves standing alone against Argentina, nobody, including our so-called friends in Europe came to help, in-fact, everyone turned their back on us, hundreds of our brave men were killed and injured, many by EXOCET missiles at the time being manufactured and sold to Argentina by the French Government!

Nuff said!

Jingoistic rubbish.

 

[Hobbit]

Operation Algeciras ?

But the point the initial post attempting to connect The EU and Referendum to the Falklands War is typical of the sort of stuff that has be regurgitated all over social media - same with the EU army and countless over social media campaign attempting to discredit the EU and attempting to connect them with anything people think will stir up the masses.

That'll be the flukey arrest by the Spanish police. And then under orders from the Dept of interior they were flown out of the country without being put on trial. I also remember how Spain supported Argentina's position, arguing for Gib to be returned to Spanish rule.

And to your original point that the EU fully supported the UK's position, Denmark and Ireland didn't. Accuracy Phil, accuracy.

 

[Hacker Khan]

At what point do we bring up the Spanish Armada as a reason to not be in the EU? The 100 years war??

I saw an excellent piece on twitter that said one reason why there is a bit of an age split on the vote is that older people tend to look back whilst younger people tend to look forwards. And I think there is an element of truth in that.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That'll be the flukey arrest by the Spanish police. And then under orders from the Dept of interior they were flown out of the country without being put on trial. I also remember how Spain supported Argentina's position, arguing for Gib to be returned to Spanish rule.

And to your original point that the EU fully supported the UK's position, Denmark and Ireland didn't. Accuracy Phil, accuracy.

That was taken directly from the article about events leading up to the war which seemed to suggest that all "didn't turn their backs against us"

And seen Spain recently denied Argentina the pact to go against UK in regards both Gib and Falklands and indeed embaressed Argentina

Spain have wanted Gib rule for years but didn't invade Gib to attempt to force rule

Spain also at the time just joined NATO hence the quiet return of the Argentinians back as they didn't want to cause a diplomatic scene.

But that IMO is all irrelevant to the current EU referendum

 

[Thorntree178]

I voted out, just based on the fact there is rubbish getting put out willy nilly days before and days after collection. People are moving into any space whatsoever regardless of it is allowed. Also, there are used nappies hanging off walls, and scattered across flat roofs, near where I live. I am not racist...I just don't want to live in a ghetto, but it looks like all is lost.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I voted out, just based on the fact there is rubbish getting put out willy nilly days before and days after collection. People are moving into any space whatsoever regardless of it is allowed. Also, there are used nappies hanging off walls, and scattered across flat roofs, near where I live. I am not racist...I just don't want to live in a ghetto, but it looks like all is lost.

I'm probably going to regret this but why, using some facts and not Daily Express headlines if possible, is this the EUs fault?

 

[ColchesterFC]

I'm probably going to regret this but why, using some facts and not Daily Express headlines if possible, is this the EUs fault?

 

[Hacker Khan]

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Actually that's a fair point, I'm not that bothered on why it's the EU's fault there are nappies hanging off walls, I'll just take it as fact and move on. But unfortunately I've already voted so this startling new revelation has not influenced my vote.

 

[Thorntree178]

The people they put into the flats and houses cannot read English 9or they can and they laugh it off), so they don't know what to do with their rubbish, other than to throw it out front or back for the fairies to sort out. I dunno if thats the EU's fault, but maybe it is.

 

[Hacker Khan]

The people they put into the flats and houses cannot read English, so they don't know what to do with their rubbish, other than to throw it out front or back for the fairies to sort out. I dunno if thats the EU's fault, but maybe it is.

You do make a compelling case for voting out but as I've already said, polls have closed now. If only you'd of posted earlier who knows how that would have influenced the vote of many forum posters.

 

[Thorntree178]

I doubt it would, they probably don't live near me. Dismal is not the word for it, anymore. The place stinks and the drains are full of used takeaway oil. The only shining light is the fact I could one day move to Latvia.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Slowly shakes head.


http://wingsoverscotland.com/were-calling-it/

 

[Hacker Khan]

They could have just tweeted, 'Please don't sack us, please!!!!!'

 

[Hacker Khan]

I doubt it would, they probably don't live near me. Dismal is not the word for it, anymore. The place stinks and the drains are full of used takeaway oil. The only shining light is the fact I could one day move to Latvia.

Well every cloud and all that, you can get away from the nappy throwing EU bureaucrats and I hear Riga is lovely.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The people they put into the flats and houses cannot read English 9or they can and they laugh it off), so they don't know what to do with their rubbish, other than to throw it out front or back for the fairies to sort out. I dunno if thats the EU's fault, but maybe it is.

 

[MarkE]

Well it looks from the polls ,Remain have it in the bag. Seems that as in the scottish referendum, the fear pedaled by Cameron et al has had the desired effect again. But at least we've had a democratic say, something we'll never get from here on in with the eu.

 

[chippa1909]

Cameron's already writing his victory speech for tomorrow morning on the theme of Brussels Votes for Brussels Laws.