I am not making anything up....I know what the css is and I adjust accordingly.....I have since checked with my Hcp Sec whom says I am 100% correct in doing what I have been and will continue to do....
Emergency - Away score???
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davidy233
Tour Rookie
I'm pretty sure that's the bit I quoted is the way it is - however I'm not a handicap secretary anymore.
From what I remember we used to get cards put in with current handicaps and notes informing us that we should correct the player's handicap when finishing the competition, I'm sure that's allowed
If you were playing a tie/match then you would have to play off the lower handicap unless you managed to get hold of your handicap secretary to get your handicap adjusted
dodger - I'd get your handicap sec to check his congu handbook - that's where that extract was from
From what I remember we used to get cards put in with current handicaps and notes informing us that we should correct the player's handicap when finishing the competition, I'm sure that's allowed
If you were playing a tie/match then you would have to play off the lower handicap unless you managed to get hold of your handicap secretary to get your handicap adjusted
dodger - I'd get your handicap sec to check his congu handbook - that's where that extract was from
bunkered
Head Pro
dodger tommo, i apologize for the last comment, but i am 99.9% sure you cannot adjust your own handicap up the way.
RGDave
Money List Winner
Fascinating. I don't know the real answer, but there is no way I'd give myself 0.1 under these circumstances.
I've been off X.4 so many times and played badly enough to be 99% sure I'd be up to X.5 and get another shot.
If I guessed I'd now be on X.5 I'd wait for written confirmation and also ask for another h'cap cert, just in case I play away again.
Better to be safe than sorry, always.
I've been off X.4 so many times and played badly enough to be 99% sure I'd be up to X.5 and get another shot.
If I guessed I'd now be on X.5 I'd wait for written confirmation and also ask for another h'cap cert, just in case I play away again.
Better to be safe than sorry, always.
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birdieman
Guest
Ok it appears from Tommo and Dodgers experience that some clubs allow players to adjust themsleves but some clubs don't.
In the OP's case I would advise playing the lower one (which will get corrected in due course) so that he doesn't take the needless risk of a DQ as the rules suggest that is a serious possibilty for him. That would seem the sensible option in this case as the OP doesn't know if his club would accept him changing it himself.
I had this situation from 4.4 to 4.5 before 1st round of club champs in June. I had an away score from a couple of days earlier that hadn't been processd as our match and handicap isn't quick at processing away scores. In my case I made a point of discussing it with the Match and handicap sec before I went out and he said it was ok to go up to 5. One or two members did mention it after which I wasn't too comfortable with. I knew I was 4.5 playing 5 but the computer still said 4.4.
Tricky one I'd be very careful with.
In the OP's case I would advise playing the lower one (which will get corrected in due course) so that he doesn't take the needless risk of a DQ as the rules suggest that is a serious possibilty for him. That would seem the sensible option in this case as the OP doesn't know if his club would accept him changing it himself.
I had this situation from 4.4 to 4.5 before 1st round of club champs in June. I had an away score from a couple of days earlier that hadn't been processd as our match and handicap isn't quick at processing away scores. In my case I made a point of discussing it with the Match and handicap sec before I went out and he said it was ok to go up to 5. One or two members did mention it after which I wasn't too comfortable with. I knew I was 4.5 playing 5 but the computer still said 4.4.
Tricky one I'd be very careful with.
bunkered
Head Pro
Birdieman there is no ifs or buts, if you change your own handicap up the way it is cheating.
Tommo21
Tour Winner
Okay, just checked with my committee and there is no problem. Like I said as long as I let them know, they don’t need official notification before I can go up. Never been called a cheat in 35 years of golf.
me neither.....
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birdieman
Guest
Bit harsh bunkered. I did ask the M+H should I go up and he agreed before the away score had been processed through the handicapping software.
If Match and Handicap secretaries don't input away scores every day as they really should imo then players are left in very awkward positions if they are playing 3 or 4 games+ per week.
Ultimately we all want to play off the exact correct handicap.
davidy233
Tour Rookie
From my experience as long as the handicap secretary/commmittee know about it you have no problem - software has nothing to do with it, but you still can't just automatically put your own handicap up - the example I quoted of playing a matchplay tie before being able to get in touch with the handicap/match secretary stands - you can't just assume that you should play off the higher handicap.
bunkered
Head Pro
davidy, thank you very much, i cannot believe people that have played for years do not know this.
bunkered
Head Pro
dodger told this guy to play of the higher handicap to-day, he is WRONG, birdieman you know he is wrong so come of the fence.
Tommo21
Tour Winner
Assumptions never entered my mind or come into it.
Tommo21
Tour Winner
There is nothing to know as this was all checked before hand, read my previous postings. I play medals at one course one day and at the other the next. I can have 3 away score before I play my next medal at my home course. My HC is adjusted each time it needs adjusting, from one medal to the next and it's all above board with my home club and away club. Can you grasp this info. Hard luck Tom.
DCB
Well-known member
Anyway, how did the OP fare in his competition today ?
adamk15
Assistant Pro
Haha thanks DCB for the interest 
I was told by the junior convenor to play off 20 (in any case the h/caps and scores are put on a database on the computer so I couldn't have altered it up)
Anyway I played awful (and missed buffer
). So I will now be (once I put my away score in) 20.6.
This handicap business is a cuffufel but in future I think I will be safe and always play off the lower one, or try my best to put in away scores as soon as I possibley can.
Thanks for the help everyone, I know you all advised what you thought was best
I was told by the junior convenor to play off 20 (in any case the h/caps and scores are put on a database on the computer so I couldn't have altered it up)
Anyway I played awful (and missed buffer
). So I will now be (once I put my away score in) 20.6.This handicap business is a cuffufel but in future I think I will be safe and always play off the lower one, or try my best to put in away scores as soon as I possibley can.
Thanks for the help everyone, I know you all advised what you thought was best
DCB
Well-known member
Stck at it young man, there's plenty of time left for you to get that hanicap down over the summer. Is that the Castle Heather course you play at. It used to have some fairly brutal rough when it was first opened in the mid 1990s. The rough didn't just eat balls, if you laid your bag down that was a gonner too
Stick at it.
Stick at it.
bunkered
Head Pro
Well done Adam. you done the right thing, good on you.
Fyldewhite
Tour Winner
The rules quoted from the CONGU UHS handbook are correct. You are not allowed to adjust your own handicap up and should play off the lower mark until your handicap secretary has adjusted your playing record. It's not necessarily a fair rule but as it says it is to protect the golfer who may make a mistake and then get in a very embarassing situation next time out.
I have seen people claim they had 0.1 only to find out later that it is a reductions only etc.
I have seen people claim they had 0.1 only to find out later that it is a reductions only etc.
Tommo21
Tour Winner
Well since this is clearly going to run I’ve even had a word with my away club and this is the situation.
The computer system at my away club, when I play a medal, I punch in my membership number. For all the away players there is a facility, specifically for away playing members, to alter their HC……UP or DOWN. When I’m finished my round there is the same facility before I record my score, it asks me if my HC needs to be altered.
I have just asked another player who plays two other clubs, different from mine, and they do the same.
You can quote guidelines all you want, but this is how it is working and that is how they want me to do it. Clearly by talking to others and Dodgers postings that’s the way it is.
The computer system at my away club, when I play a medal, I punch in my membership number. For all the away players there is a facility, specifically for away playing members, to alter their HC……UP or DOWN. When I’m finished my round there is the same facility before I record my score, it asks me if my HC needs to be altered.
I have just asked another player who plays two other clubs, different from mine, and they do the same.
You can quote guidelines all you want, but this is how it is working and that is how they want me to do it. Clearly by talking to others and Dodgers postings that’s the way it is.
