Drop quiery

It enters the area going backwards from the trees, it's a slope back down to the water. The ball would be entering the water from the far side of the tee i.e. on the green side of the water, again, hope that makes sense.
 
HappyHacker1 said:
It enters the area going backwards from the trees, it's a slope back down to the water. The ball would be entering the water from the far side of the tee i.e. on the green side of the water, again, hope that makes sense.
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I understand what you are saying, what I’m asking is, Red Penalty area gives you 3 options, but surely option 3 is only available if you can identify exactly were it crossed in to the Red Penalty area.
How wide is the bank on the far side of the area?
 
pauldj42 said:
Yes, totally understand that, but using option #3 in the rules, it shows X as the point the ball enters the penalty area, how is that identified in this scenario, you haven’t seen it and initially look around the trees before saying you are >95% it’s in the water, somewhere.
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The player makes their best estimate of X

Ref 1.3 b (2) and 17.1 d (3)/2
 
duncan mackie said:
The player makes their best estimate of X

Ref 1.3 b (2) and 17.1 d (3)/2
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Cheers Duncan, still find it strange due to the fact he/they have no idea of were to “guess” ie did the ball hit a tree and rebound left, right or straight back, or which tree it hit.
 
pauldj42 said:
Cheers Duncan, still find it strange due to the fact he/they have no idea of were to “guess” ie did the ball hit a tree and rebound left, right or straight back, or which tree it hit.
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There are probably dozens of balls "lost" in that water every weekend, it's the "only" place they can be if they aren't seen upon arrival. The balls are either 1) deflected out in to the fairway 2) deflected in to the water or 3) sitting in the open area below the trees, there really is no other option "unless" you hit a booming drive way over the top and it isn't found but that isn't the case of which I'm explaining.
 
HappyHacker1 said:
There are probably dozens of balls "lost" in that water every weekend, it's the "only" place they can be if they aren't seen upon arrival. The balls are either 1) deflected out in to the fairway 2) deflected in to the water or 3) sitting in the open area below the trees, there really is no other option "unless" you hit a booming drive way over the top and it isn't found but that isn't the case of which I'm explaining.
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I’m not doubting you in anyway, as I’d previously asked, how wide is this water hazard? 0-10yds, 10-20yds etc, so your best estimate has quite a scope for you to take a drop, it was how the reference point for this drop is established I was querying.
Going on the information you stated at post #8, maybe everyone uses the option to play 3 off the tee because the reference point can’t be established to a satisfactory level.
 
Ok, as I stated, is we take the area as a rectangle, you are hitting to a corner, but the water isn't in play if you hit it straight, in fact, it would need to be quite wild to be hitting over it, it's not until you've carried it (with a cut) that it comes in to play backwards, so the actual area of your ball dropping in is no more than say ten yards. Given the flight of your ball, you can generally say with a fair degree of assumption it would've entered in to the water around "x" area, not ten yards further or nor ten yards further back.
 
Colin L said:
I'm just being awkward, but when say that if your ball can't be found in the trees it must be in the penalty area, does that include your ball not being hidden up in a tree
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There must be a hellva lot of balls stuck up those trees then.

Here's another thing, one can essentially say that they seen it drop back in to the water from the tee and then precede to take their drop.
 
HappyHacker1 said:
Here's another thing, one can essentially say that they seen it drop back in to the water from the tee and then precede to take their drop.
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You will have to excuse my lack of comprehension.

If you see the ball drop back into the water from the tee then that's what you saw.

I have no idea if that's what you mean by the above statement.
 
backwoodsman said:
From what I've read so far, l don't think you can be anywhere near 95% certain that the ball is in the penalty area. Balls hitting trees frequently ricochet in unexpected directions - and without being seen where they've gone to. From what you say it could easily be under a leaf, behind a tree stem, or even sitting up nicely - just not where you're looking. Obviously l don't know the course &/or the precise circumstances - but I'm afraid you'll have a hard job convincing me that you'd be entitled fo a drop.
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If I was playing you in a match you would not get that from me.
It could be stuck up a tree.
Just because it’s what everyone does dosnt make it correct.
 
pauldj42 said:
Cheers Duncan, still find it strange due to the fact he/they have no idea of were to “guess” ie did the ball hit a tree and rebound left, right or straight back, or which tree it hit.
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I find it hard to belive that Every ball that hits these trees goes in the PA .
The law of averages would say not.
 
clubchamp98 said:
I find it hard to belive that Every ball that hits these trees goes in the PA .
The law of averages would say not.
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I don't believe I said "EVERY" ball, what I said was, if the ball isn't at the bottom of the trees area it can only be two other places, deflected out in to the fairway or deflected back in to the water.
 
HappyHacker1 said:
I don't believe I said "EVERY" ball, what I said was, if the ball isn't at the bottom of the trees area it can only be two other places, deflected out in to the fairway or deflected back in to the water.
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So every lost ball goes in the water!
I don’t think most golfers would give you that in a match.
Just my opinion.
 
clubchamp98 said:
So every lost ball goes in the water!
I don’t think most golfers would give you that in a match.
Just my opinion.
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Most assume they have gone in the water as there is no other credible place they could've gone, which I believe I have stated at least on a couple of occasions.

The point I am trying to make is, I believe "most" aren't using the rules to their advantage, they are just assessing it as a lost ball rather than it being in the PA.
 
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