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Drink Drivers Named

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If they feel the need to do this then roll it out for no tax or insurance as well, they are both choices made by the person getting behind the wheel and can just as easily be fatal as someone who's been drinking, the same for all the foreign vehicles being driven around unregistered to UK residents, the list could on, so this is just a seasonal publicity stunt IMO which I have no issue with as long as it's not selective.
 
drive4show said:
I agree with your point that the family may be punished to some degree but maybe if the driver thought about that BEFORE having 'one for the road' the situation wouldn't arise in the first place.

Have you ever been the victim of an irresponsible driver? I have, cost me a LOT of money!
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Drivers who drink over the limit are selfish or deluded or both. The fact that they drive when over the limit shows a disregard for their loved ones (as well as other road users and pedestrians) - that does nor mean that their loved ones have a similar disregard for the driver. Punish the driver - why punish the family through public humiliation? They will be punished enough. And no I haven't.
 
richart said:
Totally agree Richard. If losing your licence, having an accident, possibly killing someone, going to prison is not a deterrent, how is having your name in the paper ?

Only decent longer term deterrent as far as I am concerned is more random breath tests. Drink drivers think they will get away with it so they continue. They are obviously not worried abouut the consequences of their actions. Catch more of them and get them off the road. Whether this is possible is another matter.
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Under the current legislation the power pretty much exists to carry out random breath tests. The issue with random breath tests is that Traffic Patrol officers who used to do the vast majority of them are being phased out in favour of Gatso cameras which to the best of my knowledge can't yet undertake breath tests. The only thing that will cut down the number of drink drivers is the perception that you'll get caught, and all the time proper Traffic Patrols are being cut down then that perception is going the wrong way.
 
Had a look at Facebook pages for Beds Police and the local rags and seen that they are releasing details and information in regards various people who have been charged of various offences from driving through to rape and ABH.

Also then release details of people who have been convicted.

It looks like the local police in this area aren't being selective and release details as they get charged
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The police chief said in on the radio that if it stops one person driving over the limit then that's one person that won't be a danger to everyone else - his thinking was that in a society where public and private image is seen as important to a lot of people that shaming them "might" make them just think twice - it's costing the police nothing and it could have no effect at all - but it could save one person's life
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Liverpoolphil said:
Had a look at Facebook pages for Beds Police and the local rags and seen that they are releasing details and information in regards various people who have been charged of various offences from driving through to rape and ABH.

Also then release details of people who have been convicted.

It looks like the local police in this area aren't being selective and release details as they get charged
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Flip side is that by naming criminals especially rapists, you are potentially going to get vigilante's. If one innocent family member of a criminal gets attacked is it worth the risk ? If a person is convicted and sentenced that is justice to me. End of. Details in the press from drink drivers to murderers have no deterrent value as far as I am concerned.
 
richart said:
Flip side is that by naming criminals especially rapists, you are potentially going to get vigilante's. If one innocent family member of a criminal gets attacked is it worth the risk ? If a person is convicted and sentenced that is justice to me. End of. Details in the press from drink drivers to murderers have no deterrent value as far as I am concerned.
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Yep can certainly see that and understand it's happened with someone in the Dunstable area who was attacked after being convicted of sex offences against a child.

Do the public have a right to know that someone like that is in their area ? Or should they be able to hide ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yep can certainly see that and understand it's happened with someone in the Dunstable area who was attacked after being convicted of sex offences against a child.

Do the public have a right to know that someone like that is in their area ? Or should they be able to hide ?
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I was thinking more about the family of, as the criminal would be behind bars when the press release would be made.

The right to know is a different matter, and would only be relevant when the criminal was released ?
 
richart said:
I was thinking more about the family of, as the criminal would be behind bars when the press release would be made.

The right to know is a different matter, and would only be relevant when the criminal was released ?
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Ah right - never heard of a family member being attacked because of something someone else has been convicted off but can see someone doing something to effect the whole family
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Ah right - never heard of a family member being attacked because of something someone else has been convicted off but can see someone doing something to effect the whole family
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There have been cases were innocent men have been attacked and I think one was murdered a few years ago in a case of mistaken identity.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Had a look at Facebook pages for Beds Police and the local rags and seen that they are releasing details and information in regards various people who have been charged of various offences from driving through to rape and ABH.

Also then release details of people who have been convicted.

It looks like the local police in this area aren't being selective and release details as they get charged
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Not sure this is the way forward irrespective of the crime and is a dangerous game. We've seen trials halted before because of the media intrusion and even on a local level this would seem to be an unwise thing to be doing in my opinion
 
HomerJSimpson said:
But what happened to innocent until proven guilty? Naming straight away isn't the way forward in my opinion
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This is what I don't get about this discussion. If someone has failed a breath test, they have committed a crime. They are not innocent. If for some reason the police decide not to prosecute that is entirely up to them.
 
drive4show said:
This is what I don't get about this discussion. If someone has failed a breath test, they have committed a crime. They are not innocent. If for some reason the police decide not to prosecute that is entirely up to them.
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Well technically yes but don't the points/fine only come into effect, and therefore the sentence passed at that point. Until that point, they haven't been convicted and there have been numerous stories of people getting off for a number of reasons and therefore technically still innocent. I don't agree with it but that's the law is it not?
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Well technically yes but don't the points/fine only come into effect, and therefore the sentence passed at that point. Until that point, they haven't been convicted and there have been numerous stories of people getting off for a number of reasons and therefore technically still innocent. I don't agree with it but that's the law is it not?
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Sadly yes, you are absolutely right. Murderers, rapists, burglars etc.....sure there can be doubt. But if the police pull someone out of a car and they fail a breath test, that is pretty clear cut.
 
drive4show said:
Sadly yes, you are absolutely right. Murderers, rapists, burglars etc.....sure there can be doubt. But if the police pull someone out of a car and they fail a breath test, that is pretty clear cut.
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You and I will have to differ. In your mind clearly a crime has been committed. I prefer to wait until the conviction is made. And to that end, publishing the name of those failing DD tests without being prosecuted yet is wrong, in my opinion of course.
 
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