SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Indeed - and so quite a number of members of golf clubs are going to be getting reported to the police by their mates for getting into their car after having two pints of Stella, San Miguel, Peroni or Staropramen
Indeed - and so quite a number of members of golf clubs are going to be getting reported to the police by their mates for getting into their car after having two pints of Stella, San Miguel, Peroni or Staropramen
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Sounds a good thing to me - don't you think ?
Ethan
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The issue is the selectivity.
Presumably you also name and shame people who drive on tyres below the legal limit, with poor brakes, while using a mobile, reaching for the cigarette lighter, wearing headphones, who drive too slow and cause large build up of traffic behind them, who jump red lights (including cyclists) etc etc.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
It does 'sound' a good thing. - but it won't happen. I suspect many of those who support this 'name and shame' policy would maybe just have a wee word in their mates ear if they saw him going to get into his car after two pint. But would they report him to the police? Imagine being the one to bring down shame on the head of your mate and his family when you report him for driving over the limit after two pints.
All who will be 'named and shamed' will be someones friend; someones son or daughter; someones parent; someones spouse. Where drink is involved families and friends suffer - they don't need wider public humiliation and pain than they might already be suffering. This policy serves no purpose other than to be 'seen to be doing something' when the issue is a greater cultural and social one that is not going to be solved in this way.
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But naming drink drivers is good though yes ?
Yes other offences could and should be named but does that mean this isn't good thing ?
Norrin Radd
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i personally dont advocate drink and drive of any sort ,there really should be a zero tolerance against DD .it could be your family member ending up being the victim .
PhilTheFragger
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Maybe we should name and shame all those who get infractions on this forum
Just sayin
Just sayin
freddielong
Tour Winner
I am with you, if it makes 1 person who may have killed someone stop and not drive then it's only a good thing surely.
Finding it really difficult to understand how anyone can see it as a bad thing.
ger147
Tour Winner
I don't believe in "naming and shaming" anyone for any offence who hasn't been convicted. These people being named by this police force have only been charged, not convicted and so IMO this is wrong.
Norrin Radd
Tour Winner
having just read the link in the op nowhere does it mention selectivity ,it just names those that have been caught over the limit ,be it for drink or drugs.
like the old addage .
if you cant do the time ,dont do the crime .
and drinking whilst under the influence in this country is a crime .
live with it.
like the old addage .
if you cant do the time ,dont do the crime .
and drinking whilst under the influence in this country is a crime .
live with it.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Non thread, just read the local papers, it's all in there.
But you're bringing emotion into the punishment. And you're also bringing in the potential for a lynch mob mentality. Public humiliation is not considered, thoughtful justice. I'm not looking for a soft option, and wouldn't mind a 2yr ban being the starting point. I wouldn't mind the trebling of insurance premiums, or whatever, and I'd like to see a 2yr prison sentence for a second offence, rising if involved in an accident.
Ok, let's look at what putting their name in the papers does. Do you know what any of your local offenders looks like? No. Their friends do, and that's it. ~It embarrasses them amongst their friends and colleagues. How many times do you drive past friends without recognising them? And imagine how hard it would be to narrow it down to a D&D driver and then have the balls to report them.
Name and shame achieves very little other than embarrassment amongst their friends and family. But lockouts, lower limits and harsher penalties would achieve more. If you are genuine about improving the stats, its proper harsher penalties that are needed not a name in the paper.
You picking on me 😜
Norrin Radd
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thats some person who wants to shame his family and friends .they are just thinking they can get away with it ,and sod the consequences should they get caught.
they have no thought for family and friends cos if they did they wouldnt have had any drink in the first place.
they have no thought for family and friends cos if they did they wouldnt have had any drink in the first place.
PhilTheFragger
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Oh no, us mods are very even handed
there are a few of you
I'm up for displaying infractions so long as list which mods are ott😃
PhilTheFragger
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None of us are OTT, we hate you all with total equality
But enough of that, back to the thread....................
Ethan
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You really don't understand.
The point is that this is selecting drink drivers and ignoring everyone else who poses an equal or grater hazard on the road.
As for the old addage (sic), they will be convicted and get a fine and a ban. That is the 'time' you speak of. The question is whether name and same helps or is fair when drivers who have dodgy brakes or no brake lights don't get named and shamed. It is a question about (a) shaming as a form of punishment and (b) being even handed.
Norrin Radd
Tour Winner
Ethan i dont think trying to put a fault with the machine in the same context as the fault with the driver is a comparrison that works in my eyes .
you brake lights out ,well a lot of cars dont have a sensor in the cab saying a light is out ,so when do you know it blown ,only when you are told ,hopefully by a third party other than the law .and as for brakes ,well you drive the car day in and day out ,you wouldnt really notice the reduction of performance if the reduction was a gradual affair ,if it was sudden you would do something about it pretty quickly im sure ,as you wouldnt want to put your own life in jepordy ,would you .i know i wouldnt ,especially if i was sober at the time.
i couldnt say that for sure if i was ott with booze.
you brake lights out ,well a lot of cars dont have a sensor in the cab saying a light is out ,so when do you know it blown ,only when you are told ,hopefully by a third party other than the law .and as for brakes ,well you drive the car day in and day out ,you wouldnt really notice the reduction of performance if the reduction was a gradual affair ,if it was sudden you would do something about it pretty quickly im sure ,as you wouldnt want to put your own life in jepordy ,would you .i know i wouldnt ,especially if i was sober at the time.
i couldnt say that for sure if i was ott with booze.
Fyldewhite
Tour Winner
Don't get it. Who exactly needs to know before you feel ashamed of doing something wrong? I'd say I'd be embarrassed that my family, friends, my work colleagues, my mates at the golf club would know. Point being that all these people would get to know anyway. Putting my name on a long list of other people for folk who couldn't give a toss what I did or didn't do wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference. Waste of time and a publicity stunt. Good headlines for the police and their annual campaign but no real point other than that.
