Doping in Sport

[Robster59]

Fascinating isn't it? There's lots of "I believe", "by all accounts", "I think", "everybody knows" etc.
Yes lots of people have been caught cheating. Bravo! There may well be lots of cheats still out there but the premise of Innocent until proven guilty MUST apply.
The trouble is, that doesn't sell papers and we Brits are great at kicking ourselves and being resentful of other peoples success.

 

[SaintHacker]

Has she ever failed a drugs test ? What more proof does anyone need ?

Did Lance Armstrong? I'm not saying she has and I obviously hope she is clean but not failing a test is perfectly possible

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Did Lance Armstrong? I'm not saying she has and I obviously hope she is clean but not failing a test is perfectly possible

Then we might as well accuse anyone who hasn't failed a drugs tests as suspicious based on one person ?

Cycling is well reported to be corrupt in regards hiding tests etc but it's doesn't seem to have been easy on athletics

 

[Blue in Munich]

The use of PP comes with a responsibility to use it wisely. Sadly, its quite often abused by MP's throwing comments around whilst hiding behind that privilege. Jesse Norman MP made it fairly clear who he thought needed further scrutiny, so lets hope if he's proven wrong he get well and truly castigated by parliament for it. Both the Times newspaper and by the German broadcaster are, typically, vague but the damage has been done.

Wasn't his fault Hobbit, the press took it all out of context, he never did nuffink!!

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-doping-allegations-jesse-norman-media-blame

His arrogance is stunning.

 

[bluewolf]

Did Lance Armstrong? I'm not saying she has and I obviously hope she is clean but not failing a test is perfectly possible

Lance failed several tests by all accounts, but because he was bigger than the sport itself, they all got hidden. It's one of the main reasons I have a strong dislike of any sportsperson who is bigger than their chosen sport.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The use of PP comes with a responsibility to use it wisely. Sadly, its quite often abused by MP's throwing comments around whilst hiding behind that privilege. Jesse Norman MP made it fairly clear who he thought needed further scrutiny, so lets hope if he's proven wrong he get well and truly castigated by parliament for it. Both the Times newspaper and by the German broadcaster are, typically, vague but the damage has been done.

Very good point. It was hardly a disguised sleight at Paula and I hope he or the media put up or shut up. I think it's sad that she has to prove her innocence in public

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Very difficult to prove a negative which is what she is being asked to do. I'm not a fan of hers, tax dodging in Monaco is not playing your part for the country, but people should not be accused without evidence to back it up.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Care to name the Brits who have got "away with things " ?

Dwain Chambers..got caught eventually
Linford Christie....how ayone runs their lifetime fastest when they are past their physical peak is beyond me, plus he was banned form coaching for "irregularities".
David Millar.....cyclist caught eventually.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Dwain Chambers..got caught eventually
Linford Christie....how ayone runs their lifetime fastest when they are past their physical peak is beyond me, plus he was banned form coaching for "irregularities".
David Millar.....cyclist caught eventually.

So they "didn't get away with things" they got caught failing a drugs test - simple

 

[bluewolf]

Dwain Chambers..got caught eventually
Linford Christie....how ayone runs their lifetime fastest when they are past their physical peak is beyond me, plus he was banned form coaching for "irregularities".
David Millar.....cyclist caught eventually.

LOL, so your list of 3 athletes who "got away with it" contains 2 people who got caught and 1 who was caught after he retired...

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Yes they got caught, and I'm glad about it. The point is that we in this country think all our sportsmen and women are "clean", and never want to think otherwise.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes they got caught, and I'm glad about it. The point is that we in this country think all our sportsmen and women are "clean", and never want to think otherwise.

Certainly dont think that at all - just dont see why people like Mo and Paula are being labelled despite passing numerous tests.

You said threr were brits who have got away with things - right now i dont think there have been.

Whilst we have had our own casualties in regards taking performance enhancing drugs in sport i think in our society its very much disgusted by people hence why i think the reason why not many Brits get caught is because they are clean.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Certainly dont think that at all - just dont see why people like Mo and Paula are being labelled despite passing numerous tests.

You said threr were brits who have got away with things - right now i dont think there have been.

Whilst we have had our own casualties in regards taking performance enhancing drugs in sport i think in our society its very much disgusted by people hence why i think the reason why not many Brits get caught is because they are clean.

Didn't a certain American cyclist "pass" every test he ever took, until Frankie & Betsy Andreu stood up to be counted. Whilst I agree that they shouldn't be accused without evidence, they have a certain Mr. Armstrong to thank for no small part of the current issue.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Didn't a certain American cyclist "pass" every test he ever took, until Frankie & Betsy Andreu stood up to be counted. Whilst I agree that they shouldn't be accused without evidence, they have a certain Mr. Armstrong to thank for no small part of the current issue.

Didn't Armstrong fail a number of tests but was covered up

Paula Radcliffes husbands was on the radio tonight and it appears that this list has a lot of people's samples from immediately after they have finished which gives false readings and why they can't use a blood or urine test so soon.

Paula has also challenged IAAF to test her whenever they want - she has also frozen samples from 2002 so they can be tested in the future when technology could be enhanced even better

http://news.sky.com/story/1550226/blood-tests-that-cleared-paula-radcliffe

An innocent person is getting her reputation ripped about by gossip

 

[c1973]

I'm with LP on this one.


It's a disgrace what innocent athletes are being put through. She's quite right not releasing her bloods, why the hell should she have to?

Her reputation will more than likely be tarnished forever now, through no fault of her own. Shocking.
Maybe the media in this country should report facts and not gossip.

 

[Beezerk]

Paula Radcliffes husbands was on the radio tonight and it appears that this list has a lot of people's samples from immediately after they have finished which gives false readings and why they can't use a blood or urine test so soon.

I'd love to see the hard data on whether this theory is correct. I heard PR mention it on the radio this morning so at the moment I only have her word on it.

 

[JustOne]

I think we should have competition for those who DO take banned substances just to see how far we can push the human body..... would love to see someone run the 100m in under 8 seconds (for example). Totally understand the need for 'drug free' competition in order to have a level playing field but don't see why there isn't an opportunity for those who want to see what they are capable of to do so.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Didn't a certain American cyclist "pass" every test he ever took, until Frankie & Betsy Andreu stood up to be counted. Whilst I agree that they shouldn't be accused without evidence, they have a certain Mr. Armstrong to thank for no small part of the current issue.

Didn't Armstrong fail a number of tests but was covered up

Paula Radcliffes husbands was on the radio tonight and it appears that this list has a lot of people's samples from immediately after they have finished which gives false readings and why they can't use a blood or urine test so soon.

Paula has also challenged IAAF to test her whenever they want - she has also frozen samples from 2002 so they can be tested in the future when technology could be enhanced even better

http://news.sky.com/story/1550226/blood-tests-that-cleared-paula-radcliffe

An innocent person is getting her reputation ripped about by gossip

Yes Phil, he did fail tests; which was precisely why there were speech marks around the word pass.

Lance Armstrong's carefully orchestrated campaign to cover up his abuse of performance enhancing drugs has undermined the result of every drugs test before and since in every sport in my opinion. Paula Radcliffe may be the cleanest athlete that ever walked the face of the planet, but because Lance Armstrong conned so many people for so long, and because of other failures (David Millar springs to mind, there are others), many people do not and will not trust the testing system.

While I have no argument with the fact that athletes in any sport should not be accused without evidence, the blame for the fact that people are prepared to believe the gossip lies squarely on the shoulders of Lance Armstrong and his ilk.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Drugs in sport isn't new, or just brought into the world by Armstrong. Amateur and professional cycslist were using whatever they could back in the sixties and before. Weight lifters the world over have been using Steroids for years, and they are at mega levels in the amateur/ recreational world. I seriously hope that both Ratcliffe and Farah are clean, and I feel they should do and produce everything they can to prove it. But I don't buy into the "Brits don't do drugs" because the end goals and targets are the same for all athletes and sportsmen/women. If they can get away with it they will, and if they get caught they go all "anti drugs" to try and gain sympathy.
The culture of taking these "supplements" has to change as well. That is just legal doping.
Sadly, unless a life time ban is brought in for all drug cheats, those past and present, nothing will ever change. Couple that with a greater transparency of governing bodies and those who are in them and you might stand a chance of having a truly clean Tour de France, Olympics, World Cup, any marathon or any event anywhere.