Disqualification under Rule 11.1

[ROB81E]

Hi all. I have a query with regard to 11.1
My son was playing in a comp and accidentally played from the wrong side of the tee markers. He and his playing partner noted this but were not sure what the ruling was in this instance. They agreed that my son would play on with the original ball. He did not play a ball from the correct area, with the intention of bringing this to note at the end of the round for clarification. He goes on to score a par 4 with the illegal ball.
At the end of the round he finds the rule and dqs himself under 11.1
How is the score then recorded ?
I ask because in my mind this hole is a NR as he did not enter a ball into play, rule 11 stating that no stroke shall count towards the score with the incorrect ball.
To our surprise at the end of the round his score of 4 was entered but he was still dq'd.
After raising this point he was informed that this would be changed to a 6.
Is this correct as I disagree that any score can be entered as a ball was never in legally in play on the hole.
Lesson learnt for him as he would have won the comp.....
Cheers

 

[chrisd]

Rule 11.4 says that in stroke play, if you play from outside the teeing ground you incur a 2 shot penalty and need to replay from the correct place. If you don't correct the error before teeing off the next hole you are disqualified.

If he corrects the error, the stroke and any subsequent strokes on that don't count on his score, so effectively he just counts the 2 shot penalty and the actual shots after re teeing

Welcome to the forum by the way

 

[ROB81E]

Hi. Thanks for the welcome.
I agree and there is no dispute in the disqualification as this error was not corrected. My question is basically about how the score is then recorded. If a ball was never actually in play on the hole how can any score be recorded?
Cheers

 

[rulefan]

For CONGU handicap purposes DQd scores are to be recorded as played. So 4 strokes plus 2 penalty strokes.

 

[chrisd]

Sorry Robbie I added to my post after you read it

If he doesn't correct his error before teeing off the next hole, or leaving the green if it's his last hole, he is DQ'd so there is no score I would say. I'm not certain that his handicap couldn't still be adjusted but that is another matter entirely

 

[TXL]

My understanding is that your Stableford score is now used to calculate handicap adjustments. So, your son's score on that hole would be 0pts - assuming the rest of the round was played to handicap, he would have 33/34 points which, depending on his initial handicap and the CSS, could mean a .1 increase or a "no change" as he was in buffer.

Sorry he had to find out the rule the hard way.

 

[rulefan]

rule 11 stating that no stroke shall count towards the score with the incorrect ball.

There are two ruling situations here.

The Rules of Golf which gives the DQ for not correcting. The Rule (11.4 not 11.1) assumes the player will correct the situation and will score 2 ps plus whatever he takes after correcting. The strokes before correcting are ignored.

And the CONGU regulations which require certain DQ scores to be recorded for handicap purposes. 11.4 is one such.

If the comp had been a stableford he would only have been DQd for the hole and received 0 points. In this case he would have been allocated net double bogey not 6 gross strokes as I suggested above.

 

[delc]

There are two ruling situations here.

The Rules of Golf which gives the DQ for not correcting. The Rule (11.4 not 11.1) assumes the player will correct the situation and will score 2 ps plus whatever he takes after correcting. The strokes before correcting are ignored.

And the CONGU regulations which require certain DQ scores to be recorded for handicap purposes. 11.4 is one such.

If the comp had been a stableford he would only have been DQd for the hole and received 0 points. In this case he would have been allocated net double bogey not 6 gross strokes as I suggested above.

In a medal he would have been DQ'd for failing to correct his mistake before teeing off at the next hole. In a Stableford he would just get no points for that hole. In Matchplay, his opponent(s) have the option of asking him to retake his shot from the correct teeing ground without penalty. In both medal and Stableford comps, his handicap would be assessed on the basis of a nett double-bogey for that hole.

 

[user2010]

Is there an echo in here?

 

[cliveb]

In a medal he would have been DQ'd for failing to correct his mistake before teeing off at the next hole. In a Stableford he would just get no points for that hole.

Is that really true? Rule 11-4 just says that in strokeplay, the player is disqualified - period. Stableford is strokeplay, so surely it's not just a blob, but a full blown DQ?

 

[rosecott]

Is that really true? Rule 11-4 just says that in strokeplay, the player is disqualified - period. Stableford is strokeplay, so surely it's not just a blob, but a full blown DQ?

The list of rules for which the penalty of disqualification applies is contained in rule 32-2 which deals with stableford and bogey competitions. Rule 11.4 is not on that list.

 

[cliveb]

The list of rules for which the penalty of disqualification applies is contained in rule 32-2 which deals with stableford and bogey competitions. Rule 11.4 is not on that list.

Thanks for the clarification. So delc is correct. My apologies.

 

[duncan mackie]

Thanks for the clarification. So delc is correct. My apologies.

Delc is correct ad long as you reported to the committee before signing your card for a 4 on that hole....

I took from the OPs post that this was the case here (despite the apparent subsequent confusion by the committee).

 

[freddielong]

The list of rules for which the penalty of disqualification applies is contained in rule 32-2 which deals with stableford and bogey competitions. Rule 11.4 is not on that list.

I guess for stroke play circumstances by teeing from outside the teeing ground you have effectively not started one hole and therefore not completed 18 holes, with stable ford or bogey you do not need to complete 18 holes.