Disqualification from stableford

[Barry888]

Hi everyone

I was recently disqualified from a 4bbbs competition for having no handicap on the card. Is this correct as I thought it didn't have to be on the card for a stableford comp?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes that’s correct if it’s a HC Competition the HC must be displayed on the card

 

[Barry888]

Ah ok, what would count as a handicap competition? This was a 'winter' competition and so not a qualifying competition. Does the rule count for any competition?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ah ok, what would count as a handicap competition? This was a 'winter' competition and so not a qualifying competition. Does the rule count for any competition?

Any competition where you are using a HC as opposed to a scratch Comp

 

[Barry888]

Thanks understand now! So basically any competition where your handicap applies it has to be on the card or you're disqualifed.

 

[jusme]

Rule 6.2. It is correct. Stableford is a form of stroke play hence the rule applies

 

[rulie]

Hi everyone

I was recently disqualified from a 4bbbs competition for having no handicap on the card. Is this correct as I thought it didn't have to be on the card for a stableford comp?

Can you explain what that means? What was the format?

 

[rosecott]

Thanks understand now! So basically any competition where your handicap applies it has to be on the card or you're disqualifed.

Exactly so. How can a committee apply scores if your correct handicap is not recorded on the scorecard?

 

[rulefan]

Can you explain what that means? What was the format?

4bbb = Four Ball Better Ball - is the traditional way of describing Four-Ball in the UK. Better meaning Lower in this case

Four-Ball: A competition in which two competitors play as partners, each playing his own ball. The lower score of the partners is the score for the hole. If one partner fails to complete the play of a hole, there is no penalty.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Exactly so. How can a committee apply scores if your correct handicap is not recorded on the scorecard?

I am not disagreeing on the rule re handicaps...but in a h/cap 4BBB there should be only one score for each hole recorded on the card for a pair. Whoever the score is recorded against will tell the comp organiser who scored and hence for that hole the number of strokes accorded by that players handicap will determine the pts scored on that hole. What am I missing about the rule that requires a handicap to be recorded. I can't see how the correct number of points could not be calculated. Why is it required that the handicap of each player is recorded on the card?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I am not disagreeing on the rule re handicaps...but in a h/cap 4BBB there should be only one score for each hole recorded on the card for a pair. Whoever the score is recorded against will tell the comp organiser who scored and hence for that hole the number of strokes accorded by that players handicap will determine the pts scored on that hole. What am I missing about the rule that requires a handicap to be recorded. I can't see how the correct number of points could not be calculated. Why is it required that the handicap of each player is recorded on the card?

If each HC isn’t recorded how on earth do you know they have the points on any hole correct ?

If there is no HC how can you determine where the players get the shots is correct ?

It’s no different to a singles Stableford

 

[rosecott]

I am not disagreeing on the rule re handicaps...but in a h/cap 4BBB there should be only one score for each hole recorded on the card for a pair. Whoever the score is recorded against will tell the comp organiser who scored and hence for that hole the number of strokes accorded by that players handicap will determine the pts scored on that hole. What am I missing about the rule that requires a handicap to be recorded. I can't see how the correct number of points could not be calculated. Why is it required that the handicap of each player is recorded on the card?

I may be wrongly interpreting your post, but are you suggesting that we work back from the points claimed to determine who made the score necessary to produce the points.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I may be wrongly interpreting your post, but are you suggesting that we work back from the points claimed to determine who made the score necessary to produce the points.

Why need any pair in a 4BBB stableford competition actually have to write down the pts claimed. The two players in a pair will be A and B. For each hole the pair enter the ONE gross score they want to count in Col A or Col B. Why do they need to enter the number of pts being 'claimed'. The comp organiser knows the handicap of A and the handicap of B - and hence knows the number of shots that A gets and the number of shots that B gets. So on each hole the organiser simply takes the score as recorded in Col A or Col B - and according to the column the score is entered in and the number of shots A and B get works out the stableford points according to the SI of the hole.

What am I missing...?

NB This is my key assumption

 

[Colin L]

You seem to be jumpjng from one thing to another. The players are required to record only the gross score to be counted and to make it clear whose score it is. And you are right in saying the Committee can work out the points. In fact, it is their responsilbity.

 

[rulefan]

I am not disagreeing on the rule re handicaps...but in a h/cap 4BBB there should be only one score for each hole recorded on the card for a pair. Whoever the score is recorded against will tell the comp organiser who scored and hence for that hole the number of strokes accorded by that players handicap will determine the pts scored on that hole. What am I missing about the rule that requires a handicap to be recorded. I can't see how the correct number of points could not be calculated. Why is it required that the handicap of each player is recorded on the card?

Are you suggesting that handicaps need never be entered on the card for any type of event?

I don't think many club 'organisers' would be happy to take on the task of calculating scores by having to cross check against a handicap list.

 

[duncan mackie]

Why need any pair in a 4BBB stableford competition actually have to write down the pts claimed. The two players in a pair will be A and B. For each hole the pair enter the ONE gross score they want to count in Col A or Col B. Why do they need to enter the number of pts being 'claimed'. The comp organiser knows the handicap of A and the handicap of B - and hence knows the number of shots that A gets and the number of shots that B gets. So on each hole the organiser simply takes the score as recorded in Col A or Col B - and according to the column the score is entered in and the number of shots A and B get works out the stableford points according to the SI of the hole.

What am I missing...?

NB This is my key assumption

Your key assumption is the flaw in your argument. It is the players responsibility to put it on the card for exactly that purpose. Up until he tees off any number of things could cause it to change from that recorded somewhere previously.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Isn’t it the players responsibility to mark his proper handicap under rule 6-6(b)?

 

[rosecott]

I am not disagreeing on the rule re handicaps...but in a h/cap 4BBB there should be only one score for each hole recorded on the card for a pair. Whoever the score is recorded against will tell the comp organiser who scored and hence for that hole the number of strokes accorded by that players handicap will determine the pts scored on that hole. What am I missing about the rule that requires a handicap to be recorded. I can't see how the correct number of points could not be calculated. Why is it required that the handicap of each player is recorded on the card?

Why need any pair in a 4BBB stableford competition actually have to write down the pts claimed. The two players in a pair will be A and B. For each hole the pair enter the ONE gross score they want to count in Col A or Col B. Why do they need to enter the number of pts being 'claimed'. The comp organiser knows the handicap of A and the handicap of B - and hence knows the number of shots that A gets and the number of shots that B gets. So on each hole the organiser simply takes the score as recorded in Col A or Col B - and according to the column the score is entered in and the number of shots A and B get works out the stableford points according to the SI of the hole.

What am I missing...?

NB This is my key assumption

You say that you are "not disagreeing on the rule re handicaps", but you go on to ask why it is required that the handicap of each player is recorded on the card and that the comp organiser knows the each player's handicap.

This also applies in singles competitions - the comp organiser will know the player's handicap if he is a Home Player but he will be DQd if he fails to record his handicap on the scorecard. Why should that rule not apply in 4BB?

 

[bobmac]

This also applies in singles competitions - the comp organiser will know the player's handicap if he is a Home Player but he will be DQd if he fails to record his handicap on the scorecard. Why should that rule not apply in 4BB?

Not always.
At my last club there was two J Clarks and two S Mitchells.
The only way to identify them was by h/cap.

How hard can it be to write your h/cap on your card?

 

[Slime]

Hi everyone

I was recently disqualified from a 4bbbs competition for having no handicap on the card. Is this correct as I thought it didn't have to be on the card for a stableford comp?

Can you explain what that means? What was the format?

Four ball, better ball, stableford.