Disqualification from stableford

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Your key assumption is the flaw in your argument. It is the players responsibility to put it on the card for exactly that purpose. Up until he tees off any number of things could cause it to change from that recorded somewhere previously.

That's the missing link. I could have played a comp elsewhere that resulted in a change to my handicap but I had not informed the club of that change, so the club comp organiser won't know my new handicap. It is up to me to make sure he does, and the way to ensure that is by recording my (new) handicap on my card. Completely removes any risk of miscommunication etc.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If each HC isn’t recorded how on earth do you know they have the points on any hole correct ?

If there is no HC how can you determine where the players get the shots is correct ?

It’s no different to a singles Stableford

For the above my assumption was that the comp organiser knows my handicap and so neither question is an issue; and @ColinL agrees that all I need to is record the gross score my pair wish to have counted; but @duncan provided the answer. The comp organiser may not know my handicap.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

For the above my assumption was that the comp organiser knows my handicap and so neither question is an issue; and @ColinL agrees that all I need to is record the gross score my pair wish to have counted; but @duncan provided the answer. The comp organiser may not know my handicap.

Of course it’s an issue when it’s required by the rules to annotate your HC on the scorecard irrelevant of if the organiser knows your HC

Taking a thread that had a clear rule answer and attempting to turn it into nonsense

 

[rulefan]

Four ball, better ball, stableford.

See post #9

 

[Colin L]

For the above my assumption was that the comp organiser knows my handicap and so neither question is an issue; and @ColinL agrees that all I need to is record the gross score my pair wish to have counted; but @duncan provided the answer. The comp organiser may not know my handicap.

I was specifically clarifying that you do not have to enter your points in response to your comment Why need any pair in a 4BBB stableford competition actually have to write down the pts claimed. Nothing to to with the requirement to put your handicap on the card which had been well established earlier in the thread.

 

[Slime]

See post #9

Yeah, I got that, I was just clarifying the 's' bit of the 4bbs acronym.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I was specifically clarifying that you do not have to enter your points in response to your comment Why need any pair in a 4BBB stableford competition actually have to write down the pts claimed. Nothing to to with the requirement to put your handicap on the card which had been well established earlier in the thread.

I know that you don't have to enter points - I wasn't suggesting that you had to - just that earlier someone had asked how the scorer in the other pair could enter or check the points without the handicap being on the card.

I know the requirement to enter your handicap on the card is required and was established earlier in the thread - I was simply asking why? An answer given was that points scored on holes by a pair could not be entered by the marker during the round without knowledge of the handicaps - that is not the reason. @Duncan gave me the answer...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Of course it’s an issue when it’s required by the rules to annotate your HC on the scorecard irrelevant of if the organiser knows your HC

Taking a thread that had a clear rule answer and attempting to turn it into nonsense

I know the rule says you have to annotate your handicap on the scorecard - I just did not know why?

 

[Colin L]

I know that you don't have to enter points - I wasn't suggesting that you had to - just that earlier someone had asked how the scorer in the other pair could enter or check the points without the handicap being on the card.

I know the requirement to enter your handicap on the card is required and was established earlier in the thread - I was simply asking why? An answer given was that points scored on holes by a pair could not be entered by the marker during the round without knowledge of the handicaps - that is not the reason. @Duncan gave me the answer...

Well, I'm glad you've reached an understanding. Which is more than I've managed with your postings.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I know the rule says you have to annotate your handicap on the scorecard - I just did not know why?

You seriously don’t understand why your HC needs to be on the card in a HC Competition?! Really ?

 

[rulie]

I know that you don't have to enter points - I wasn't suggesting that you had to - just that earlier someone had asked how the scorer in the other pair could enter or check the points without the handicap being on the card.

I know the requirement to enter your handicap on the card is required and was established earlier in the thread - I was simply asking why? An answer given was that points scored on holes by a pair could not be entered by the marker during the round without knowledge of the handicaps - that is not the reason. @Duncan gave me the answer...

Why do you need to tee off from the teeing ground? Because that's what the Rules require. Same applies to putting your handicap on your score card.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Why do you need to tee off from the teeing ground? Because that's what the Rules require. Same applies to putting your handicap on your score card.

I KNOW that. But I was trying to understand the logic behind the rule. If I understand the logic behind a rule - any rule - then I am more likely to be able to interpret the rule in the context I find myself wondering about the rule; the subsequent ruling, and what I should do.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well, I'm glad you've reached an understanding. Which is more than I've managed with your postings.

Jeez @ColinL - I only wanted to understand why we have to enter our handicap on the scorecard. - I wasn't questioning that we had to - I know we have to.

 

[oltimer]

clearly ones hcap has to be on the Card but does it have to be in particular place or will anywhere do ?

 

[rulie]

clearly ones hcap has to be on the Card but does it have to be in particular place or will anywhere do ?

Any place will satisfy the Rule, just like signatures can be any place. And the "score card" could be a plain piece of paper so long as the 18 individual hole scores are identifiable, it has the player's and marker's signatures (or initials) and the player's handicap if required for the specific competition.

 

[oltimer]

very clear - tnks

 

[rulie]

I KNOW that. But I was trying to understand the logic behind the rule. If I understand the logic behind a rule - any rule - then I am more likely to be able to interpret the rule in the context I find myself wondering about the rule; the subsequent ruling, and what I should do.

The Rules assign responsibility for scorecards and scoring to the player and to the Committee. It is the player's responsibility for eighteen correct individual hole scores, two signatures and his handicap (if required). The Committee is not responsible for knowing the handicap, only applying it to the player's score(s).
It's pretty straightforward - think of it as a personal cheque - there are certain requirements for it to be valid - same applies to your scorecard.

 

[jim8flog]

30-3. Best-Ball and Four-Ball Match Play
e. Disqualification of Side (i) A side is disqualified if any partner incurs a penalty of disqualification under any of the following:
Rule 6-2a Handicap
6-2. Handicap
b. Stroke Play
In any round of a handicap competition, the competitor must ensure that his handicap is recorded on his score card before it is returned to the Committee. If no handicap is recorded on his score card before it is returned (Rule 6-6b), or if the recorded handicap is higher than that to which he is entitled and this affects the number of strokes received, he is disqualified from the handicap competition; otherwise, the score stands.

I realised I copied the Match play but the rules are basically the same for Stroke play
I thought I was reading the last post before posting the above

 

[Pants]

Jeez @ColinL - I only wanted to understand why we have to leave the EU. - I wasn't questioning that we had to - I know we have to.

Ooops sorry. Wrong thread

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The Rules assign responsibility for scorecards and scoring to the player and to the Committee. It is the player's responsibility for eighteen correct individual hole scores, two signatures and his handicap (if required). The Committee is not responsible for knowing the handicap, only applying it to the player's score(s).
It's pretty straightforward - think of it as a personal cheque - there are certain requirements for it to be valid - same applies to your scorecard.

All of this I know - but as I said - I just wanted to understand why.

So the reason why there is the rule that we must record our handicap on a comp card, is that the player must pro-actively ensure that the committee is informed of his current handicap - because the committee might not know it.