Diplomatic immunity

[USER1999]

Parking tickets and killing someone are worlds apart .

sure but the general rule here is they don't send some one back. She was probably scooped up and taken back anyway, so she may have nothing to do with it.

Thing is, diplomats and their families are all over the world. What is a minor crime in one country carries a death penalty in another. Think adultery, blasphemy etc. They are not going to set a precedent here by sending her back, potentially to stand trial.

 

[clubchamp98]

sure but the general rule here is they don't send some one back. She was probably scooped up and taken back anyway, so she may have nothing to do with it.

Thing is, diplomats and their families are all over the world. What is a minor crime in one country carries a death penalty in another. Think adultery, blasphemy etc. They are not going to set a precedent here by sending her back, potentially to stand trial.

Yes I get it.
But the fact they are in the diplomatic core says to me they are very responsible people, well educated .
Why can’t they just behave themselves.
DI for doing their job is fine ,but this is a different thing it’s got nothing to do with their job.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

We have also agreed extradition to the US, it is looked at case by case. TM will not have done that lightly and I bet it was not related to a death.

No, if I remember correctly it was in relation to hacking and security. I would suggest that the USA would consider that a greater matter than the death of 1 young man.

 

[USER1999]

We have also agreed extradition to the US, it is looked at case by case. TM will not have done that lightly and I bet it was not related to a death.

Which was an accident. Unless she is a homicidal maniac deliberately ramming young men off their moterbikes.

 

[clubchamp98]

Which was an accident. Unless she is a homicidal maniac deliberately ramming young men off their moterbikes.

I agree but it always looks bad when you lie to the police then run away under DI.

Explain yourself to police and the lads family it was an accident.
Then go back to the USA, if she had done that it probably would not be on the news.

 

[USER1999]

Do we know she ran, and wasn't whisked away by the Yanks?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Do we know she ran, and wasn't whisked away by the Yanks?

Radio says they’ve all gone, wife, husband and kids.
Make of that what you will.

 

[USER1999]

Then saying she lied and ran is not necessarily the truth either then?

 

[clubchamp98]

Then saying she lied and ran is not necessarily the truth either then?

She told the police she was not leaving the country.!
She is gone.
If she has been forced to leave by the US that’s even worse imo.
But most will come to their own conclusion.
We need to put pressure on the US a civilised country should not behave like that.

In the age of social media this will come out and when it does I think it will be worse for her.
Just stay and explain what happened.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Which was an accident. Unless she is a homicidal maniac deliberately ramming young men off their moterbikes.

I agree, which makes her escape even more odd imo. I'm with clubchamp on this one, no point repeating his post.

 

[USER1999]

Given that her whole familly has moved out, it doesn't sound like it was her decision. So, she might not have lied, she might not be a coward, she might just be doing what the consulate tell her to.

People are so quick to jump on things without any facts.

 

[clubchamp98]

Given that her whole familly has moved out, it doesn't sound like it was her decision. So, she might not have lied, she might not be a coward, she might just be doing what the consulate tell her to.

People are so quick to jump on things without any facts.

She told the police she wasn’t leaving the country then did whatever way you see it that’s a lie.
The family had rented a house for three years
The kids were enrolled in local school.
Next day she’s in the US.
The police can’t investigate it without her statement.

You can make your own mind up.

I saw the interview with the mother all she wanted was to know what happened .
She dosnt want her jailed she wants closure.
She is a coward.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

She told the police she wasn’t leaving the country then did whatever way you see it that’s a lie.
.

The radio report said that her lawyer and representative from the American embassy were also present and all said the same thing.
I suspect the State department has pulled them back knowing she was guilty and felt that the initial publicity would die down and be forgotten about, possibly even using it as leverage for something else at a later time.
The whole thing stinks, but nothing surprises me when it comes to the USA and their secrecy/actions.

 

[USER1999]

I would guess that any countries state department would act similarly. It is naive to think other wise. I don't think the UK would be any different.

If this had happened in Iran (for instance), do you think they would leave the familly there? There are consular rules that are followed, and I doubt they are influenced by location, or how fair the US think the legal system will be.

She may have meant to stay, or indeed wanted to stay. To call her a liar based on so few facts is poor.

Yes, I have read the familly view, and yes, it must be tough. But the rules on DI are not going to change based on this one case, when they have been around since 1961.

 

[Captainron]

As a South African I can confirm that this immunity should be revoked....

 

[drdel]

Returning the individual and overturning DI would have potentially serious consequences for UK and other Diplomats across the globe. DI prevents UK Diplomats being 'setup' in less lawful countries and significantly reduces the risk of kidnap to their families. It is surprisingly well done and works across the world. If we stop respecting this principle it would change the dynamics of international relations.

It is an absolute tragedy for the family caught up in this terrible accident but knee jerk, emotional reactions to one incident over the decades of DI and the basis of DI would be grave error IMO.

 

[clubchamp98]

Lawyer on radio said the UK would almost 100% certain to waive immunity in a case like this involving a Brit.

The crime commissioner involved said “ she was very cooperative until waiving immunity was applied for”
She then disappeared.

The UK gov should put pressure on the yanks as this is not on.
I can understand the hostile country argument but the US are our friends allegedly.

 

[drdel]

Lawyer on radio said the UK would almost 100% certain to waive immunity in a case like this involving a Brit.

Easy comment from the non-involved 'sofa expert'. Totally depends on circumstance and sensitivity of personnel involved.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Lawyer on radio said the UK would almost 100% certain to waive immunity in a case like this involving a Brit.

If you are getting that from the Jeremy Vine show the same lawyer also gave the case where the Chilean govt waived DI for one of their employees when they were up on a murder charge in the UK. The person was cleared but the govt recognised it had nothing to do with that persons job or role in the country.

 

[MegaSteve]

Which was an accident. Unless she is a homicidal maniac deliberately ramming young men off their moterbikes.

Without an investigation, or any facts to support it was an accident, how can you conclude she isn't a homicidal maniac?

If she was under the influence (alcohol/drugs) then, for me, she falls into that category...