chrisd
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Because I believe what he says !
David Cameron
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Because I believe what he says !
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And I don't - so stalemate there
Oxfordcomma
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Chris, really? You truly believe that Corbyn has a Britain-hating ideology? Corbyn is a pacifist, and that has led him to talk to some strange people in the past, but to stretch that out to "Britain-hating" is pretty ridiculous from Cameron.
jp5
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Oh dear... you'll believe anything he says?
SwingsitlikeHogan
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so for instance - on housing he is going to move us from 'generation rent to generation buy'. What the heck does that really mean? What generation? The next? So is he saying the next generation won't have to rent they'll all be able to buy? It's rubbish, but it sounds meaningful. How can you believe something that doesn't make any sense?
DC is a PR man, all soundbites and no substance. When he finishes as PM what legacy will he leave? What policies will you look back at and say they were his and they made a difference. Remember the Big Idea anyone? Soulless PM with no backbone. I am not anti Conservative but he has been poor. Luckily for him Labour during this period have been worse.
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User62651
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Very well put imo, seemed like a decent prospect when he pitched for leadership all those years ago but deals in short-termism for his and his party's benefit only. Very uninspiring as a leader.
Doon frae Troon
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Cameron's legacy is that he will be known has the 'Food Bank Prime Minister'.
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Known by who exactly ? Not once have I heard or read him called that
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I have now
bluewolf
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You do understand that the statement was written using Past tense? "He will be known as", not "he is known as".
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User62651
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Future tense surely - 'he will be' rather than past 'he was' or present 'he is' ???
chrisd
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I wrote that I believe him simply to save loads of arguments like happen in the playground. No Corbyn isn't a Britain hater but he wants to change it to something I don't want. There are view on here that I don't share but, unlike Phil, I can't be arsed to tit for tat about what I believe as we'll never agree and none of ipus will move camps
Foxholer
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How exactly is UK's security threatened by the removal of Nuclear weapons? Details please, not waffle about perception!
I think Lord Tyrion phrased it perfectly though...DC is a PR - and that's what politics is about! I don't think DC will go down as a great PM. But certainly a successful one, if only because of the timing of the Banking Crash and the poor (PR) quality of the Labour alternatives! Tony Blair, on the other hand, was/is all PR/Self Promotion but decidedly weak in actual leadership and morality imo!
bluewolf
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Past tense as in referring to how DC will be known in the future, for his actions in the past.
All depends on the reference point I suppose. At the very least, we can agree that it's not the present tense?
Ethan
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Cameron and his spiritual heir, Blair, are responsible for making the world considerably more dangerous than it was, with ill considered and doomed forays into Iraq and Afghanistan, and Cameron now seems set to repeat the process with more direct action in Syria.
On nuclear weapons, there are two separate questions. The first is whether MAD works. In the Cold War days, the likely enemy may have been fearful of retaliation, but that is less likely with terrorist groups and rogue states. Secondly, is Trident even an effective weapon? Many senior military figures and former SoSD (including Tory) don't think so.
The idea that declaring he wouldn't press the button will embolden other countries to get nukes is laughable. Precisely the opposite argument can be made, that other states want nukes because US, UK and most importantly, Israel, have them. Although Israel are not in the nuclear anti-proliferation treaty, so are a sort of rogue state themselves.
Every nation in the world, apart from US, Russia, China, North Korea, UK, France, India, Pakistan and Israel manage without nukes. It is ridiculous to think the UK could not do the same. Not having nukes would probably lose the UK their seat at the UN Security Council, though, which would be a demotion in world standing.
On nuclear weapons, there are two separate questions. The first is whether MAD works. In the Cold War days, the likely enemy may have been fearful of retaliation, but that is less likely with terrorist groups and rogue states. Secondly, is Trident even an effective weapon? Many senior military figures and former SoSD (including Tory) don't think so.
The idea that declaring he wouldn't press the button will embolden other countries to get nukes is laughable. Precisely the opposite argument can be made, that other states want nukes because US, UK and most importantly, Israel, have them. Although Israel are not in the nuclear anti-proliferation treaty, so are a sort of rogue state themselves.
Every nation in the world, apart from US, Russia, China, North Korea, UK, France, India, Pakistan and Israel manage without nukes. It is ridiculous to think the UK could not do the same. Not having nukes would probably lose the UK their seat at the UN Security Council, though, which would be a demotion in world standing.
Doon frae Troon
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Trident is the WW1 equivalent of the Cavalry.
As Ethan states it is only used as a very expensive leaders status symbol.
If nukes keep the world safe the UN should allow every country to have one.
As Ethan states it is only used as a very expensive leaders status symbol.
If nukes keep the world safe the UN should allow every country to have one.
:thup:
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Hence why there will be a Trident replacement arriving and helping keep thousands of jobs safe whilst also creating a few more in Scotland - something I sure you're very much in favour off ( saves them having to go to food banks )
I'm pretty sure you are clever enough to understand why not every country is allowed to have nuclear weapons.
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c1973
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Imo, First point, No he's not wrong. Second point, No he's not wrong. Third point, not sure tbh.
However, if you ask me having a pop at Mr Bean is more akin to savaging a dead sheep than being savaged by a dead sheep.
