David Cameron

[Foxholer]

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[BTW why do English sporting teams playing against rUK teams continue to sing the British National anthem , I find that very bad mannered, perhaps they don't have a decent English one.

Well Swing Low Sweet Chariot and Jerusalem certainly don't seem right.

And Land of Hope and Glory has the same 'problem' as GSTQ.

I Vow to Thee My Country.. seems a bit general - and seems more associated with funerals and remembrance.

 

[drawboy]

Do Scots think it is more about getting Salmonds name in the history books than having any genuine reason for independence? I do.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

No
The SNP have done a good job in running Scotland and as I have said many times on here.......there are many Scots who are happy to vote SNP for Holyrood but not for Westminster.

 

[Hobbit]

Sorry late to this after OP.

Couple of questions and comments.

1] Why are so many posters saying England instead of rUK and is that part of the problem?

2] If you were a non Tory/Ukip supporter living in England would you feel happy in being isolated for the next 20 years min.
[remember only ONE Tory/Ukip MP was elected in Scotland at the last Westminster election]

I thought Dave gave quite a passionate speech to keep Scotland in the UK, whether he meant it or not was hard to work owt. The Tories have quite a long history of throwing the Scots on the midden.

I try hard not to sing GSTQ but occasionally I feel that good manners come first.
[BTW why do English sporting teams playing against rUK teams continue to sing the British National anthem , I find that very bad mannered, perhaps they don't have a decent English one.

Scotland is still very much in the BT camp but there are an awful lot of folk who have yet to make up their minds.

1) Haven't got a clue what rUK is.

2) If you are a Labour voter, living in a Tory stronghold, you never get out anyway. If Labour are in, they protect the strongholds and if the Tories are in you get landed with things you don't agree with.

3) Living in the northeast, the Tories have had us on the midden many times through my life.

National Anthems; wish us English had something a bit more stirring like Jerusalem, or Flower of Scotland

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well Swing Low Sweet Chariot and Jerusalem certainly don't seem right.

And Land of Hope and Glory has the same 'problem' as GSTQ.

I Vow to Thee My Country.. seems a bit general - and seems more associated with funerals and remembrance.

I did suggest some time ago that an English NAtional Anthem could easily be written to the tune of Greensleeves - and old English folk tune - and 'England' and 'Greensleeves' have the same meter so replacing Greensleeves with the word England in the song works not bad - as in the chorus - with only one other word swapped (country for lady in last line).

England was all my joy
England was my delight,
England was my heart of gold,
And who but my country England

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Do Scots think it is more about getting Salmonds name in the history books than having any genuine reason for independence? I do.

No - they don't

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

1) Haven't got a clue what rUK is.

2) If you are a Labour voter, living in a Tory stronghold, you never get out anyway. If Labour are in, they protect the strongholds and if the Tories are in you get landed with things you don't agree with.

3) Living in the northeast, the Tories have had us on the midden many times through my life.

1) pay more attention to the debate - fairly widespread now - shorthand for rest of the UK (though iScot hasn't quite caught in in the same way)
2) and 3) are indeed arguments the YES campaign use. Fact that they apply to other geographical areas of UK and constituencies of voters is bye-the-bye as far as Scotland is concerned. But I am sure they feel our pain.

 

[Fish]

1) pay more attention to the debate .

 

[Foxholer]

I did suggest some time ago that an English NAtional Anthem could easily be written to the tune of Greensleeves - and old English folk tune - and 'England' and 'Greensleeves' have the same meter so replacing Greensleeves with the word England in the song works not bad - as in the chorus - with only one other word swapped (country for lady in last line).

I'd be looking for the Mr Whippy Ice Cream van!

 

[Hobbit]

1) pay more attention to the debate - fairly widespread now - shorthand for rest of the UK (though iScot hasn't quite caught in in the same way).

Apologies for not following more closely...I tend to skim read your tiring posts...

 

[ger147]

1) pay more attention to the debate - fairly widespread now - shorthand for rest of the UK...

Only place I've seen it used is on this forum, so widespread is at best mistaken.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There is no such place as rUK - I live in England which is part of the UK

So I won't be calling anyplace where I live rUK

Still very confident that it will be UK this time next year

 

[Fish]

There is no such place as rUK - I live in England which is part of the UK

So I won't be calling anyplace where I live rUK

:thup:

I thought it stood for "Are you kidding", which would be more synonymous with most of SILH posts :smirk:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

rUK is short hand for England, Wales and Northern Ireland [or if you are English......England]

 

[Old Skier]

rUK is short hand for England, Wales and Northern Ireland [or if you are English......England]

Then it should be RUK but as it is a baiting move by some nationalists on hear and the odd jock that wishes to stir from afar I tend to ignore it.

 

[Fish]

rUK is short hand for England, Wales and Northern Ireland [or if you are English......England]

It isn't "shorthand" as in the official writing of shorthand, it is an abbreviation.

Terminology

10. In keeping with reports produced by other House of Commons Select Committees and other organisations, in our report we have used the abbreviation 'rUK' as a shorthand way of referring to the 'remainder of the UK', the State which, in the event of Scottish independence, would comprise England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Perhaps we should be more politically correct and call it dUK as in Diminished UK.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How about we just carry on calling it UK because it's still United Kingdoms together :thup:

 

[User20205]

Perhaps we should be more politically correct and call it dUK as in Diminished UK.

How about the Bo Uk (better off) :thup:

No one I know actually cares that much about Scottish independence, so maybe the GI UK (generally indifferent) works

 

[drawboy]

How about we just carry on calling it UK because it's still United Kingdoms together :thup:

Or indeed Great Britain as that is what we are Great with a rich history to be proud of, one that I think needs celebrating not destroying. We are unique and should stay that way.