Dashcams.

[bobmac]

I believe Halfords sell and will fit these for a price.
I've got the Next base 322 I think.
Not bad quality

The 320 XR might be the very chap for you

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[Beezerk]

I believe Halfords sell and will fit these for a price.
I've got the Next base 322 I think.
Not bad quality

The 320 XR might be the very chap for you

Nextbase 320XR+ Front and Rear Dash Cam Bundle with 32GB SD Card | Halfords UK

Shop the latest Nextbase 320XR+ Front and Rear Dash Cam Bundle with 32GB SD Card at Halfords UK

www.halfords.com

Oooh controversy, I’d love to see what Billy Boots thinks of that video
I got taught by my instructor to stay in lane on a roundabout unless the lanes show otherwise, only move left when you’re at the exit just like the other driver did.

 

[Neilds]

Nextbase 522GW, everything you want, I had it hard wired in though, so not sure if it is easy to self fit.

That’s the one I have

 

[bobmac]

Oooh controversy, I’d love to see what Billy Boots thinks of that video
I got taught by my instructor to stay in lane on a roundabout unless the lanes show otherwise, only move left when you’re at the exit just like the other driver did.

So at this point, the car in front is tight right and indicating right.



I am leaving the roundabout at the next exit and I have just turned on my indicator left as I passed the previous exit.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm in the exit lane for my exit.

 

[Beezerk]

So at this point, the car in front is tight right and indicating right.

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I am leaving the roundabout at the next exit and I have just turned on my indicator left as I passed the previous exit.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm in the exit lane for my exit.

Dunno mate I’m just going on what my driving instructor told me and also not to overtake/undertake on a roundabout. Are there any lane markings on that roundabout? I can’t see any.
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I’d also be indicating right like the other car

 

[Whereditgo]

The other driver was a little late with his indication and lane maneuver, but maybe he wasn't as familiar with the road layout as you. Always leave space for other people to make mistakes is the thing to take away.

I ride bikes (pedal and engine powered) I always assume everyone else on the road is trying to kill me!

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I would think a good police radar detector is the more important accessory than a dash cam.

I like some of the modern accoutrements.
GPS navigation
back up camera
lane change warning lights in side mirrors.

I'm curious about the use for a dash cam, though.
Based on films and TV,
they seem much more popular every other place but America
where very few of us have them.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I would think a good police radar detector is the more important accessory than a dash cam.

I like some of the modern accoutrements.
GPS navigation
back up camera
lane change warning lights in side mirrors.

I'm curious about the use for a dash cam, though.
Based on films and TV,
they seem much more popular every other place but America
where very few of us have them.

The idea, for me, is protection in case of an accident. Assuming you are in the right, you just hand it over to the insurance company and they deal with it. No need for witnesses, no chance of the other party inventing a story to cover their backs. It is all there on camera.

 

[bobmac]

Dunno mate I’m just going on what my driving instructor told me and also not to overtake/undertake on a roundabout. Are there any lane markings on that roundabout? I can’t see any.
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I’d also be indicating right like the other car

I'm not undertaking, I'm going in a different direction, or so I thought.
There weren't any lane markings on the road but common sense would tell you if you want to leave a roundabout at the next exit, you should be in the exit lane. If you were leaving a motorway, would you move across 3 lanes in one manoeuvre? No. And indicating right does not mean I'm not turning left.
There were so many problems with the roundabout and people getting it wrong, it was expanded last year with an extra lane added.

Here's the same position on the new roundabout layout showing the exit lane I was in going to Lincoln

 

[nickjdavis]

Oooh controversy, I’d love to see what Billy Boots thinks of that video
I got taught by my instructor to stay in lane on a roundabout unless the lanes show otherwise, only move left when you’re at the exit just like the other driver did.

The only thing the other driver really did wrong was to not maintain his lane discipline when exiting the roundabout...there were clearly two lanes to the exit (the silver car that passes on the right just after the "carve up" maneuver demonstrates this) and he should have maintained his position in the right hand lane of the two exit lanes, and only pulled over to the left when it was safe to do so.

 

[bobmac]

The only thing the other driver really did wrong was to not maintain his lane discipline when exiting the roundabout...there were clearly two lanes to the exit (the silver car that passes on the right just after the "carve up" maneuver demonstrates this) and he should have maintained his position in the right hand lane of the two exit lanes, and only pulled over to the left when it was safe to do so.

The exit I took only had one lane as shown by the new road markings

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

The idea, for me, is protection in case of an accident. Assuming you are in the right, you just hand it over to the insurance company and they deal with it. No need for witnesses, no chance of the other party inventing a story to cover their backs. It is all there on camera.

It's also incriminating if you're the one at fault for the accident,
which at my advanced age,
would more likely be the case!

 

[GreiginFife]

The only thing the other driver really did wrong was to not maintain his lane discipline when exiting the roundabout...there were clearly two lanes to the exit (the silver car that passes on the right just after the "carve up" maneuver demonstrates this) and he should have maintained his position in the right hand lane of the two exit lanes, and only pulled over to the left when it was safe to do so.

Way I saw this was that the Megane was in the wrong lane for the destination exit they wanted. Although that looks like two lanes off the roundabout they are both filtered lanes for specific routes. The Megane driver got that one all wrong from the point where they didn't start to move across to the left hand lane earlier when exiting to left/left. And also continuing to indicate right whilst pretty much on the exit. All too last minute and dangerous.

All in my view of course. Not a cop and not a driving instructor (but FWIW, when I was taught to drive I was taught to move in to the lane that I needed at the earliest opportunity unless the lanes were filtered all the way and guided you round, as it were).

 

[Neilds]

What this incident does highlight is the need for clear markings on the road. The second photo shows a lot better layout and should make sure people are in the right lane at the right time. Unfortunately, new road layouts need people to adapt to the new layout and not just follow what they have always done, which was highlighted near me when they changed a roundabout to LH lane, turn left only, Rh lane straight on and right. Because this mean the RH lane backed up as more traffic went straight or right, people would use the LH lane and cut across when entering the roundabout and case bumps. The layout has now been changed back!


PS - I know I have added to the thread drift, despite my comment in the Irritations thread earlier today

 

[nickjdavis]

The exit I took only had one lane as shown by the new road markings

You cannot judge the actions of yesterday based on the road markings of today.

There is clearly enough room for the other vehicle to exit the roundabout using the same exit you did but in the right hand lane (hell it looks wide enough for three vehicles)...the fact that he wanted to then filter left is irrelevant...he shouldn't have made his exit from the roundabout, and subsequent attempt to get in the left hand filter lane, all in one maneuver.

Way I saw this was that the Megane was in the wrong lane for the destination exit they wanted. Although that looks like two lanes off the roundabout they are both filtered lanes for specific routes. The Megane driver got that one all wrong from the point where they didn't start to move across to the left hand lane earlier when exiting to left/left. And also continuing to indicate right whilst pretty much on the exit. All too last minute and dangerous.

All in my view of course. Not a cop and not a driving instructor (but FWIW, when I was taught to drive I was taught to move in to the lane that I needed at the earliest opportunity unless the lanes were filtered all the way and guided you round, as it were).

Exactly....there are two lanes...once in the wrong lane with bobmac's vehicle on his outside, the other driver should have stuck to the right hand lane until it was safe to get in the left lane...unfortunately the length of road between the roundabout exit and the point where the roads split, was relatively short and he realised that he wanted to be in the lane that filtered left, but made his move for it too early.

Its a common thing where you have two lanes going round a roundabout (marked or otherwise) where a vehicle going straight on in the right hand lane, will try to exit the roundabout in the shortest possible distance by cutting across to the left hand lane as he exits.

 

[Whereditgo]

You cannot judge the actions of yesterday based on the road markings of today.

There is clearly enough room for the other vehicle to exit the roundabout using the same exit you did but in the right hand lane (hell it looks wide enough for three vehicles)...the fact that he wanted to then filter left is irrelevant...he shouldn't have made his exit from the roundabout, and subsequent attempt to get in the left hand filter lane, all in one maneuver.

Exactly....there are two lanes...once in the wrong lane with bobmac's vehicle on his outside, the other driver should have stuck to the right hand lane until it was safe to get in the left lane...unfortunately the length of road between the roundabout exit and the point where the roads split, was relatively short and he realised that he wanted to be in the lane that filtered left, but made his move for it too early.

Its a common thing where you have two lanes going round a roundabout (marked or otherwise) where a vehicle going straight on in the right hand lane, will try to exit the roundabout in the shortest possible distance by cutting across to the left hand lane as he exits.

I might have misunderstood you, but there is only one lane on the exit that both vehicles took

 

[nickjdavis]

I might have misunderstood you, but there is only one lane on the exit that both vehicles took

No...I now see where I've gone wrong!!! I thought that the point where bobmac was cut-up was an exit from the roundabout which was then closely followed by a splitting in the road.

 

[Tashyboy]

Nextbase 522GW, everything you want, I had it hard wired in though, so not sure if it is easy to self fit.

Anyway back on track. I have this dashcam, the 522GW. It is a thing of beauty. Just remember to clear the memory every month.
It fully filmed me when I wrote off the car last month and Confirmed what I thought re the accident. I was a ***.
That said, I am going to look at and hopefully buy a new car tomorrow and ask if they will fit the dash cam in the car for me. It may seem a trivial thing but the new car has airbags in the A frame and I don’t want to be messing around with them.

 

[Whereditgo]

Maybe I'm not explaining myself properly but bereft of any markings, the exit that bobmac and the miscreant driver took to leave the roundabout (the exit immediately after where the Megane was indicating right) is easily wide enough to allow two vehicles to leave the roundabout side by side.

I've frozen bobmacs video just as the Megane starts to pull across bobmac immediately after it exits the roundabout...look at the space available to both the left and right of the Megane....you could get two proverbial buses down there with room for a couple of cyclists two abreast....so although there were no formal lane markings delinating the left/right hand sides of the road, there were in effect two lanes for vehicles to use...the Megane should have stayed right when leaving the roundabout, rather than cut across bobmac's path, and found a safer time to get into the filter lane that both eventually took

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I'm not talking about this junction...this is 50 yards or so after the "incident" occurs where clearly there is one lane that filters left and one (at least 2 car widths wide as can be seen around the silver car that has just passed bobmac) that filters right.
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The first freeze frame is still on the roundabout, the Megane driver cut across Bob while they were part way round the roundabout. They both took the 3rd (of 4) exit. As Bob said, before the recent alterations it was very common for people to get confused about when to move over for their exit, I think all the approaches now have 3 lanes with markings, as well as lanes defined and marked all the way round.

 

[nickjdavis]

The first freeze frame is still on the roundabout, the Megane driver cut across Bob while they were part way round the roundabout. They both took the 3rd (of 4) exit. As Bob said, before the recent alterations it was very common for people to get confused about when to move over for their exit, I think all the approaches now have 3 lanes with markings, as well as lanes defined and marked all the way round.

Yeah...its taken me repeated viewings to realise my mistake.