Cyclists really are in their own world

[Diamond]

So are all the pavements full .?
How do these vulnerable and old people get to a cycleway in the first place.?
I think it’s you that needs to share. What part of CYCLEWAY don’t you understand.?
What about all the vulnerable and old cyclists where do they go.?
Cycling on the roads is dangerous ,and this country is not cycle friendly at all.
Use the pavements there for walking!
Not sure why you are quoting 20 miles all the time , but a good cyclist can do that in an hour easy.

No pavements on the A57 and surrounding A roads are not full and the roads arent. That is why i say cycle on the road.
The cycleway is a trail for walking and cycling, so it is a path and it connects to all the local streets.
Vulnerable and old cyclists can cycle on quieter roads or go for a stroll instead.
Pavements for walking, roads for cycling appear to be less busy than parks an trails. if you cant get your bike in and out of a kissing gate should you be there?
I am quoting 20 miles because one of the OPs, on this thread, stated they take an hour to cycle 20 miles and believe that is ok during lockdown to do this when the only message we have had every day is stay home and protect the NHS.

 

[Diamond]

And stop calling it a time limit of 1 hour. The dumbest of all cabinet ministers picks a number out of the air, and as much as you are repeating it it doesn’t make it right.

No the message is stay at home, people grasping at straws are using the 1 hour as an excuse to cycle 20 miles. I mention it because I am disgusted i people cycling 20 miles when we have been told to stay at home every day.

Ireland have had a lot less deaths and they have just released the statement below:

"The Irish government is lifting a second measure which means people are now allowed to exercise within a 5km (3.1 miles) radius from their home rather than 2km (1.2 miles). "

So they couldn't exercise more than 1.2 miles from their homes. However their are a lot of idiots, plenty on here too, that have been and continue to cycle for 20 miles! Not only do they do it they brag about it and don't see why it is a problem when we live in a country with the most deaths in europe.

I have a bike and most cyclists are as sensible and stupid as anyone else. Cyclling is great but if you have to do it dont go far, travel on roads (if safe) and think about the areas where elderley people are trying to go for a stress free 20 minute walk.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

No the message is stay at home, people grasping at straws are using the 1 hour as an excuse to cycle 20 miles. I mention it because I am disgusted i people cycling 20 miles when we have been told to stay at home every day.

Ireland have had a lot less deaths and they have just released the statement below:

"The Irish government is lifting a second measure which means people are now allowed to exercise within a 5km (3.1 miles) radius from their home rather than 2km (1.2 miles). "

So they couldn't exercise more than 1.2 miles from their homes. However their are a lot of idiots, plenty on here too, that have been and continue to cycle for 20 miles! Not only do they do it they brag about it and don't see why it is a problem when we live in a country with the most deaths in europe.

I have a bike and most cyclists are as sensible and stupid as anyone else. Cyclling is great but if you have to do it dont go far, travel on roads (if safe) and think about the areas where elderley people are trying to go for a stress free 20 minute walk.

I don't understand why you are taking these figures so literally. The distance you go from your home isn't the issue, it's the distance you keep from other people whilst you are out that matters. If I am out on my bike does it matter if I am 1/5/10 miles from home? And if it makes a difference, please explain to me how I am more likely to spread the virus by being further away?

 

[Grant85]

I don't understand why you are taking these figures so literally. The distance you go from your home isn't the issue, it's the distance you keep from other people whilst you are out that matters. If I am out on my bike does it matter if I am 1/5/10 miles from home? And if it makes a difference, please explain to me how I am more likely to spread the virus by being further away?

The main reason for people not travelling too far away from home is to keep roads quiet for emergency vehicles and reduce the prospect of an accident, that would put further strain on emergency services.

 

[Diamond]

Those violent urges aren't healthy. You may be able to keep them under control at the moment, but permanently?

Obviously tongue in cheek and artistic licence on my part but it doesnt get way from my point around having the most COVID deaths and parks and trails like Carnos Circus. A much stricter policy during lockdown around exercise is a huge mistake as people are selfish and basically stupid.

 

[User20205]

Obviously tongue in cheek and artistic licence on my part but it doesnt get way from my point around having the most COVID deaths and parks and trails like Carnos Circus. A much stricter policy during lockdown around exercise is a huge mistake as people are selfish and basically stupid.

After the event slightly now but what restrictions would you have put on exercising outside the home?

 

[Deleted member 17920]

No the message is stay at home, people grasping at straws are using the 1 hour as an excuse to cycle 20 miles. I mention it because I am disgusted i people cycling 20 miles when we have been told to stay at home every day.

Ireland have had a lot less deaths and they have just released the statement below:

"The Irish government is lifting a second measure which means people are now allowed to exercise within a 5km (3.1 miles) radius from their home rather than 2km (1.2 miles). "

So they couldn't exercise more than 1.2 miles from their homes. However their are a lot of idiots, plenty on here too, that have been and continue to cycle for 20 miles! Not only do they do it they brag about it and don't see why it is a problem when we live in a country with the most deaths in europe.

I have a bike and most cyclists are as sensible and stupid as anyone else. Cyclling is great but if you have to do it dont go far, travel on roads (if safe) and think about the areas where elderley people are trying to go for a stress free 20 minute walk.

I have seen plenty of elderly people out for a full days hiking around here.

Got talking to one couple the other day and they had walked over 20 miles in 6-7hrs.

Its not just cyclists but that wouldn't suit your argument.

 

[Diamond]

I don't understand why you are taking these figures so literally. The distance you go from your home isn't the issue, it's the distance you keep from other people whilst you are out that matters. If I am out on my bike does it matter if I am 1/5/10 miles from home? And if it makes a difference, please explain to me how I am more likely to spread the virus by being further away?

You are correct it is the distance you keep from others. If you can cycle and not come across anyone then you are ok however that is not the reality in a town of 200,000 people.
The parks and trails are full of people and the further you travel the more people you come into contact with. The more people you come into contact with the more you have to make sure you are 2 metres away from them. We are talking about all demographics, young, old, fit, vulnerable, rich, poor the list goes on. It is only a few miles to the next borough who have their own Covid figures which are different from ours. The message is stay at home for a reason and that reason is not to leave the house. Why have other countries stated exercise no further than 2km? These are other countries with far less death rates.

 

[Diamond]

After the event slightly now but what restrictions would you have put on exercising outside the home?

Same as Ireland who announced them before our lockdown started.

 

[Rooter]

You should be able to break 30 mins next time.

How many miles is the course?

I may give it a go.

just over 10 miles, sign up! I'm doing it again tomorrow night at 7!

 

[Diamond]

I have seen plenty of elderly people out for a full days hiking around here.

Got talking to one couple the other day and they had walked over 20 miles in 6-7hrs.

Its not just cyclists but that wouldn't suit your argument.

Yes it would but no one on this forum has bragged about walking for 20 miles. Cyclists get a bum steer but when someone on behalf on cyclists states 20 miles is fine the last thing I want to do is let other members of the forum think that is ok. It isn't and we have the most deaths in Europe.

 

[Rooter]

Do you also get normalised power or just average? Normalised power is the better way to judge your effort as it punishes you for going over the average, makes you ride more even. The perfect ride would be both the same number, but that isn’t possible.
And what metrics are you looking at when riding?

Maybe give it a 60m sprint next time. I don’t think Cavendish would go for 500 either ;-)

Yes, you have to be registered on ZwiftPower and they do us NP, my numbers were actually pretty close! I think 185 and 187..

For me the metric I look at is current power.

I know, I was a bit keen!!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

The main reason for people not travelling too far away from home is to keep roads quiet for emergency vehicles and reduce the prospect of an accident, that would put further strain on emergency services.

Ah OK, I didn't realise that I am less likely to have an accident cycling on a street close to my home than I am on a similar street a few miles away. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Jamesbrown]

Yes it would but no one on this forum has bragged about walking for 20 miles. Cyclists get a bum steer but when someone on behalf on cyclists states 20 miles is fine the last thing I want to do is let other members of the forum think that is ok. It isn't and we have the most deaths in Europe.

Just stick a post on here that you’ve had enough now of being in and off to play golf. Watch all the cyclists lynch you!

 

[Grant85]

Ah OK, I didn't realise that I am less likely to have an accident cycling on a street close to my home than I am on a similar street a few miles away. Thanks for clarifying.

So you are 10 miles from home and get a puncture. Short of having a pressurised air canister with you and a puncture repair kit, any road bike is going to struggle to make it home. So you are calling home for a lift.

As always with these things people tend to think 'I won't make a difference' but that's because most people are following the rules and the roads remain under utilised. A few thousand cyclists, walkers, fell runners etc have the same selfish attitude... all adds up and has a cumulative effect.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

You are correct it is the distance you keep from others. If you can cycle and not come across anyone then you are ok however that is not the reality in a town of 200,000 people.
The parks and trails are full of people and the further you travel the more people you come into contact with. The more people you come into contact with the more you have to make sure you are 2 metres away from them. We are talking about all demographics, young, old, fit, vulnerable, rich, poor the list goes on. It is only a few miles to the next borough who have their own Covid figures which are different from ours. The message is stay at home for a reason and that reason is not to leave the house. Why have other countries stated exercise no further than 2km? These are other countries with far less death rates.

Think about what you are saying, your argument doesn't make any sense. If I live in a town of 200k people (I actually live in a conurbation of over 330K) those people are spaced out at x number per Sq mile. That number is pretty much the same anywhere in the town regardless of whether it is 1 mile from my home or right across the other side of town. I also happen to live very close to the edge of it so I could cycle 2 miles east and be right in the centre of the built up area or 2 miles west and be out in the countryside with fewer people and cars. I am likely to see less people by cycling 20 miles round trip west than I am by cycling 4 miles round trip east. I suggest you think about the logistics and risks rather than blindly following numbers that have been randomly plucked out the air by people on TV.

 

[Rooter]

So you are 10 miles from home and get a puncture. Short of having a pressurised air canister with you and a puncture repair kit, any road bike is going to struggle to make it home. So you are calling home for a lift.

As always with these things people tend to think 'I won't make a difference' but that's because most people are following the rules and the roads remain under utilised. A few thousand cyclists, walkers, fell runners etc have the same selfish attitude... all adds up and has a cumulative effect.

I, like most sensible cyclists, carry 2 spare tubes, 3 co2 canisters, tyre levers and a multi tool. They all live in a little bag under my seat on my road bike, and on a top tube bag on my TT bike.

Next.

 

[Grant85]

I, like most sensible cyclists, carry 2 spare tubes, 3 co2 canisters, tyre levers and a multi tool. They all live in a little bag under my seat on my road bike, and on a top tube bag on my TT bike.

Next.

that's fine, but I'd guess the vast majority don't carry co2.

 

[Rooter]

that's fine, but I'd guess the vast majority don't carry co2.

I think you would find that most 'proper' cyclists will... if not a manual pump.

If they don't, they are idiots and deserve the walk of shame home.

The adaptors are available from 5 quid and you can get co2 cartridges from about 1.50/2quid each.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

that's fine, but I'd guess the vast majority don't carry co2.

As per Rooter's reply, I also have a small bag under my saddle that contains 2 spare tubes and tyre levers. I have a small pump strapped to the side of the bike.