custom fitting

[chipsandegg]

Hi all,
well, ive decided to take the plunge and im going to go down to the Mizuno National Fitting Centre in Wrexham to be fitted for some new irons. have any of you guys been to it or heared anything about it? whether it is a good experience or not?

 

[birdieman]

Ah the old CF chestnut rears its ugly head again!

Well expect to be bamboozled with science and part with a shed load of cash .......... but don't expect your scores to improve.

I know several players who've been CF and spent a fortune on new clubs but they don't score any better than before. They tell you they hit the ball better but this is not backed up by their scores.
Chipping and putting is where it's at if you want to improve.

CF is the biggest gimmick in golf done my manufacturers to get you to part with your cash. It is relevant to tour pros but not to those of us playing hobby golf.

What's wrong with the MP67's anyway?

Be better spending the cash on lessons imo.





.......hides behind sofa...

 

[Yerman]

Birdieman - dead right! New clubs are great, like any new toy, but nothing to do with improving.

 

[DCB]

I'm afraid I agree with Birdieman. I used to be firmly in the Custom Fitting camp, but now I'm not as convinced as I thought I was.

Lots of money spent and a higher handicap are all I have to show for it at the moment. Lovely looking clubs, but I can't hit them they way I need to hit them.

Yep, not convinced.

Sorry

 

[Dodger]

CF for your big dog....vital, nothing else is worth getting done imo.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I have to say I agree. I got my new R9's off the shelf as I did the tour burners before them and hit both sets far more consistantly than the X20's I got custom fitted. All cavity backs so not even as if I was swapping to/from a harder to hit set up.

I think a C/F driver may be a viable option purely as there is such a requirement to keep the ball in play and playing with something with an incorrect shaft for the swing speed, and something producing to much/little spin and a poor launch angle is going to compromise performance. Otherwise I'm like others and definitely changing my opinion on C/F

 

[chipsandegg]

Ah the old CF chestnut rears its ugly head again!

Well expect to be bamboozled with science and part with a shed load of cash .......... but don't expect your scores to improve.

I know several players who've been CF and spent a fortune on new clubs but they don't score any better than before. They tell you they hit the ball better but this is not backed up by their scores.
Chipping and putting is where it's at if you want to improve.

CF is the biggest gimmick in golf done my manufacturers to get you to part with your cash. It is relevant to tour pros but not to those of us playing hobby golf.

What's wrong with the MP67's anyway?

Be better spending the cash on lessons imo.





.......hides behind sofa...

WOW!!! what a quality reply!!!(even though i feel like ive just been 10 rounds with Tyson) Thanx for that Birdie man. The reason i want to get custom fit is because i have never had it done before, all ive ever done is bought standard clubs and had them loft and lied. I just thought it may benefit me. The MP67'S are absolutley fine and i think they are by far the sexiest iron i have ever seen but like i said, i havent been custom fit with them so just have standard grips and Dynamic Gold s300 shafts. I hit them IMO well but with the amount of guys on tour switching to cavity backs i wondered whether i should follow suit?

 

[Golfmmad]

I think it's a good idea to get custom fitted, but you should go in with an open mind. It doesn't cost anything and you don't have to buy. Can certainly give you an idea of what you're swing is best suited to. When I went for mine at Mizuno in Surrey, I was sure of getting graphite shafts but all the monitor results showed that steel shafts were better suited for me. Having said all of that, it's still down to the individual to execute the correct swing, so expectations shouldn't be too high.

Golfmmad.

 

[Imurg]

I know some will say that C/F is the be-all and end-all but only if your swing is very, very repeatable. And to manage that you've got to be pretty damn good at this game. Get fitted and you come away with clubs that fit your swing - on that day. Swing a little differently next week and the fitting has been a waste of time. THe exception to this is if you need very different lies or lengths to the shafts - good idea then.
But for Joe StandardGolfer - waste of time.

 

[Smiffy]

I got my mizzies custom fitted in March of this year......


Do you want to buy them?


Only joking about selling them, I love the clubs but don't hit them any better than I did my old John Letters Trilogy that were purchased off the internet without even seeing them, let alone trying them.

 

[RGDave]

Mizuno National Fitting Centre in Wrexham to be fitted for some new irons. have any of you guys been to it or heared anything about it? whether it is a good experience or not?

TonyN and I know this place (like, obviously) and if it's Mizuno you're after and this is the nearest, then 100% this is the right choice.

If they don't get it right, the whole C/F industry might as well pack up and head home for an early tea.

 

[didsbury_duffer]

I can only speak for the Wrexham CF centre, and not all CF venues. Went to Wrexham/Clays about 12 months ago. Tried numerous irons with differing shaft combinations, compared to my own sticks, and the end result was that the computer confirmed that my existing MX23's suited my current swing more than any of the other models/specs. The guy therefore did not try to sell me something that I didn't need. Furthermore he then checked my MX23's and told me that they needed to be 1 degree flat, and then altered all of them free of charge. Maybe I was just lucky ??

 

[RGDave]

Birdieman - dead right! New clubs are great, like any new toy, but nothing to do with improving.

I disagree.

A small minority of players actually DO improve instantly with properly fitted clubs. If the fitt-ee is regular height with an un-repeating swing, you might as well go looking for needles in haystacks than look for better scores, but it CAN and DOES help some players.

For all the stories of (quite frankly) pretty poor players getting nothing out of C/F there are plenty to boost the argument from the other side. I play with a talented junior (tall chap) who has gone from standard Di7s to C/F (by a local rep) Wilsons and his iron play has improved dramatically overnight.

My irons improved drastically within a week of practice going from stock MacGregors to C/F Mizunos.

Believe, or not believe....it can help.

 

[drawboy]

Check out this link, it will give you an idea of what to expect at Mizuno.
http://golf.mizunoeurope.com/videos/?art...deo_walkthrough

 

[DCB]

I've had two sets of fitted MIzuno clubs and can't fault their process or product. It's just in retrospect I don't think it was necessary for my game. Yes I now it's me who has to swing the club, but I'm not as convinced about the C/F process for my level of player as I was before.

 

[Up_Point_1]

I've been playing for years now and have always bought bog standard off the shelf clubs. Over the years i've steadily got the handicap down to 5.

Decided to try CF for a new set of irons earlier in the year and the whole thing left me bamboozled to be honest.

Ended up with a set 1/4 inch shorter and 2 degrees upright and couldn't hit them for toffee. Binned them after 6 weeks and went back to an 'off the shelf' set. The golf game is now back to business as usual.

I can certainly see the merits of CF for Pro's but for us mere mortals who, let's be fair, can't put a consistent swing on the golf ball anyway I think we're wasting our time.

UP1

 

[Ethan]

Ah the old CF chestnut rears its ugly head again!

Well expect to be bamboozled with science and part with a shed load of cash .......... but don't expect your scores to improve.

I know several players who've been CF and spent a fortune on new clubs but they don't score any better than before. They tell you they hit the ball better but this is not backed up by their scores.
Chipping and putting is where it's at if you want to improve.

CF is the biggest gimmick in golf done my manufacturers to get you to part with your cash. It is relevant to tour pros but not to those of us playing hobby golf.

What's wrong with the MP67's anyway?

Be better spending the cash on lessons imo.





.......hides behind sofa...

Rubbish.

I have played with plenty of handicap golfers with totally unsuitable clubs, too stiff, too upright, wrong grip size etc etc. If these guys had CF clubs they would at least have clubs that suit their swings. No guarantee of a lower handicap, but the average handicap has not come down since the days of persimmon and balata, so by the same spurious logic as that used by the ant-CFers, we should stick with those old clubs.

As always, the CF has to be done by a competent fitter, but so too do lessons. I have seen players whose games have been ruined by lessons which didn't suit them either, mostly from pros who have a rigid orthodoxy and teach everybody the same swing.

 

[birdieman]

Well most folk seem to agree with me.

Grip size - middle finger should just brush palm on glove hand.
Lie - stand at address, if clubhead toe points in the air you need a flatter lie (or maybe you need to see a Pro for a lesson!).
shaft flex - watch how you're shots go, if you're low ands to the right they're too stiff, if your hooky high and left they're too soft.
shaft length - if you're tall or short get long or short shafts, half inch either way.

Sorted!
Thats enough for us amateurs to go on isn't it?

 

[Junior]

I agree CF may not be essential, , , , ,but is it a waste of time ?? well, I spent an hour at the range at Clay's in Wrexham hitting all the latest Mizuno Gear, and checking my flight and distances on the trackman they use. Yes, I bought a set of irons, but I was going to buy them from AG the week before anyway, but my point is , it was great fun and there is no obligation to buy at the end of it.

So go enjoy yourself !

 

[Ethan]

Well most folk seem to agree with me.

Grip size - middle finger should just brush palm on glove hand.
Lie - stand at address, if clubhead toe points in the air you need a flatter lie (or maybe you need to see a Pro for a lesson!).
shaft flex - watch how you're shots go, if you're low ands to the right they're too stiff, if your hooky high and left they're too soft.
shaft length - if you're tall or short get long or short shafts, half inch either way.

Sorted!
Thats enough for us amateurs to go on isn't it?

Most people agree with you? So what, most people are stupid. See the most popular newspapers, TV shows and much of what the great British public thinks as evidence. Most people also play with unsuitable clubs and have not been CF so really can't express a valid opinion on the subject.

Anyway, the difference between what you are advocating and full CF is only one of degree. You are saying you need the right shaft and flex, the right lie and grip size. that is a large part of what happens in CF except that a machine interprets the outcome of the shots.