Custom Fitting is it flawed.

The DNA worked perfectly for me. Did my 3 swings and it gave 3 options. I tried them all and found the best performing one for me. I still said that I felt I wanted the TTDG S400 as that is the shaft I prefer to use. So we stuck it into a head to head battle with the X100 to see what the stats said. Lower flight naturally giving about 1/2 club longer, slightly more backspin that I found strange, so the X100 won.

Any fitting has to be carried out somewhere that has all the options to try and even if the stats say it is this shaft, you should still try it out in different flexes to find the best match for you. I did with my driver and ended up with a stiff even though the stats said X-stiff. The stiff just felt nicer and I had more control over it, which related in the tighter dispersal and a little bit more distance.

Custom fitting is like anything in life, it is only as good as the person applying it an some people are better at reading the data than others. Have you ever seen a stupid computer? No, becasue it is only as good as the person using it.
 
In the nicest possible way.

You got a gizmo from mizuno on a shaft, that doesn't measure anything to do with a golf ball, and did a few swings. I assume you got on a launch monitor after and got some figures for the recommended shafts, with a few heads?

If not you custom fitting is not flawed and you are wrong.

Exactly, that gizmo is only designed to give the fitter a starting point regarding shafts. It is looking at swing speed and how you release the clubhead to try and find some shafts that MAY BE suited to your swing. If people are using to actually carry out the custom fitting then they need to get trained on how to use it.

I think it is a fantastic tool for someone fitting you for irons. How many options are out there for your irons. TTDG comes in 3 different shafts, then you have all the different flexes. The DNA system is just a starting point, that is all.
 
I can only give my personal opinion but ou should never base a club on distance. You havent once mentioned dispersion which should be the most important aspect imo.
 
I can only give my personal opinion but ou should never base a club on distance. You havent once mentioned dispersion which should be the most important aspect imo.
IMO opinion he is talking about iron fitting. I have found that no matter what shaft I use the dispersal does not really vary, so it does come down to distance and backspin and finding the middle ground. I use X-100 1" long, my ex girlfriend had Callaway ladies graphite shafted irons standard length (so about as far apart as possible) and I could still hit them as straight as anything. Problem was I was loosing about 3-4 clubs of distance with them.
 
Is it better to go a little stiffer??

I am just guessing, but would a little stiffer be easier to predict than too soft?

A limited test I know but the dispersion on a mates reg flex was ridiculous, spread across a whole county. Whereas a predictable slightly right with my pros iron girders.
 
Will just add my thoughts on custom fitting….
I have had 4 custom fits in the last few years. My swing speed, tempo, ball flight etc has been fairly consistent in that time but the various experts have 'recommended' everything from 2* flat to 3* upright. A range of shafts including Project x 5.5, 6.0 and 6.5, Nippon Modus Tour 120 S and 130 X, DG X100 and S300, KBS Tour Stiff, KBS C-Taper S and a few more! Length should be anything from 1/2 inch short to 1 inch longer than standard!!!! So basically all across the range on every spec!

Now I know some irons vary slightly in lofts and lies from other but the range there was crazy. Every time I got the feeling they just wanted to see my buy something! When I did but I have usually been very disappointed! I have ended up just fitting myself and never been happier!
 
Is it better to go a little stiffer??

I am just guessing, but would a little stiffer be easier to predict than too soft?

A limited test I know but the dispersion on a mates reg flex was ridiculous, spread across a whole county. Whereas a predictable slightly right with my pros iron girders.


I think when it comes to iron shafts you are always better to go on the side of softer if you are between shafts. Going too stiff can give you a ball flight that is too low, causing a loss in carry and backspin, which is what you are looking for with an iron.

I think when people are getting fitted for irons there should be no stiffness ratings on the shafts so that you do not know what you are hitting. Just hit away, find the one that works best and get it put in a set. At the end of the day it is what works best, not what looks the most macho.
 
In my opinion, yes.
i was fitted twice, the first time there was no hand to floor measurement, no dynamic lie measurement, I also ended up with shafts that were proved to be too stiff for me.
the second time was more exhaustive and included everything that was missing from the first fitting and I ended up with lightweight shafts that were more suited to my swing. So two fitters, two completely different experiences.

I really don't think custom fitting is worth it until you get down to single figures and have a more consistent and repetitive swing and understand all of the more technical aspects of it.
 
yes!

Where there is mostly Human contact and no strictly adhered to parameters on equipment that isn't uniform across manufacturers it will always be flawed.

Minimising the flaw should be the goal
 
Thanks for the reply lads from guys opinions i respect when it comes to this subject, my dispersion was good,i hit my irons very straight, when i trite DG SL R300 they were longer and i could have put blanket over them they were that close and i could see the flight on the range , they felt much more easier to hit
 
Probably, if you were to go on figures alone occasionally throw up the odd anomaly.

when i changed irons recently the DNA suggested S300 which ive had in my last 3 sets KBS tour S and KBS ctaper 120. i was skeptical of changing from what i knew and felt comfortable with in the S300. The c taper showed a slightly higher flight but more carry.

I made sure i was convinced with taking the change by borrowing a 6 iron and playing a couple of 9 hole rounds with just that. Im lucky in that the local dealer is also the pro that i have the odd lesson with. i got to borrow the two shafts from his fitting cart and head/ wrench. i swapped and buggered about and got comfortable with the new shaft. not everyone can do this.
 
Probably, if you were to go on figures alone occasionally throw up the odd anomaly.

when i changed irons recently the DNA suggested S300 which ive had in my last 3 sets KBS tour S and KBS ctaper 120. i was skeptical of changing from what i knew and felt comfortable with in the S300. The c taper showed a slightly higher flight but more carry.

I made sure i was convinced with taking the change by borrowing a 6 iron and playing a couple of 9 hole rounds with just that. Im lucky in that the local dealer is also the pro that i have the odd lesson with. i got to borrow the two shafts from his fitting cart and head/ wrench. i swapped and buggered about and got comfortable with the new shaft. not everyone can do this.
Did you end up with the C-Taper or S300?
 
My first fitting was with an independent who had access to all the manufacturer's kit. I knew what I wanted, and he proved me wrong - great results with the new irons. Several years later I went through exactly the same cycle, including being proven wrong again.

Every so often I go to my lad's place and go through the full gambit of kit etc, using the latest monitors. I know what I should have before I visit a fitter.

I've twice been to fitting sessions with the same major manufacturer - total rat poo!.
 
How are you finding those?

I have had a couple of sets of C Taper. They are an interesting shaft. On the face of it they are fairly stiff and feel a bit dead, like Project X but more so. But they really perform well and send the ball out on a strong mid traj flight with great distance but they also want to go straight. So probably the best performing shaft I have played.
 
I have had a couple of sets of C Taper. They are an interesting shaft. On the face of it they are fairly stiff and feel a bit dead, like Project X but more so. But they really perform well and send the ball out on a strong mid traj flight with great distance but they also want to go straight. So probably the best performing shaft I have played.

Ethan - have you played PXi shafts at all? Can you compare?
 
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