Crufts!!!! Jesus what have they done

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Turned it on the other day only to Alan Carr and the blonde guy who was an athlete of some sort buggering about

Again tonight to watch the gundogs, shown evything but, what's wrong with just showing dogs??
 
Some of the non-showing articles are interesting but most not! Loved watching the agility though as take our two every week and great to see it done properly. Favourite group tonight - gun dogs - hope something other than the poncy American Cocker wins!
 
For all the years abe watched that show ave not seen one dog with a stick in its mush. They are not real dogs.
 
I was at Ripley castle today, a gorgeous place just outside of Harrogate. We had a walk before the obligatory tea and cake and came across endless cockers, springers, labs and retrievers. All of them lovely natured and running around off lead with big doggy grins and waggy tails. That's what dogs are about.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I was at Ripley castle today, a gorgeous place just outside of Harrogate. We had a walk before the obligatory tea and cake and came across endless cockers, springers, labs and retrievers. All of them lovely natured and running around off lead with big doggy grins and waggy tails. That's what dogs are about.
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As a dog owner, absolutely agree, and have little time for shows like this.....however, saw this video and did make me smile, such amazing training https://www.facebook.com/Crufts/videos/10155104009619878/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
 
AmandaJR said:
Some of the non-showing articles are interesting but most not! Loved watching the agility though as take our two every week and great to see it done properly. Favourite group tonight - gun dogs - hope something other than the poncy American Cocker wins!
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AmandaJR said:
Another poncy dog wins :-( How is that flipping thing a gun dog?!
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patricks148 said:
My thoughts exactly, that isn't a gun dog.
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HawkeyeMS said:
It does make you wonder doesn't it
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Best you all look away now then……...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/778278/Crufts-2017-results-winners-Best-in-Show-Birmingham

How the hell that is a gun dog Lord only knows; one hour of work in a muddy field & 10 hours in the hairdressers to put it straight again :mad:
 
The whole issue around breeding characteristics (exaggerating them) that turns out to be flipping awful for the dog has been around for ages. The KC say they're cleaning up their act but you still see plenty of dogs struggling to breathe etc and the German Shepherd that won his class this year still looked to have an exaggerated sloping back. The one that won last year was pretty much deformed so I guess that judge didn't get the memo.

Then you have Ewan Thomas presenting articles on rescue dogs etc when he's followed the trend and paid thousands for a French Bulldog - the hyprocrisy seemed lost on C4.

I also laugh when an owner says they have a "CockerSproggerLabradoodle" or whatever. They just mean they've spent thousands on a cross breed!

Then so often at Crufts the handler wasn't the owner or was the "co-owner" or the dog didn't live with them. It's all a business and I was thinking can it really make that much money but I guess stud fees and selling puppies can be lucrative. Perhaps they should change the rules and only dogs and bitches that have been neutered/spayed can compete...
 
Amanda, we bought a cocker spaniel from a proper KC recognised breeder. When we were coming away with a puppy my wife and I had a discussion about how much money could you make doing this. After vets fees, stud fees, registrations etc plus your own time and effort our opinion was not a lot. Certainly not worth it as a living. Now I accept a cocker spaniel puppy is not at the top end of the price scale but then it was not peanuts either.

Our spaniel goes to a kennels which is run by a lab breeder, someone who judges around Europe in dog competitions and I think at Crufts as well. Her dogs are lovely, they have top pedigrees and even imports sperm from other dogs if necessary, but she is careful how often each bitch breeds, it is not a puppy farm. She does it because she loves dogs, I think it was the same with our spaniel breeder. I suspect anyone looking to do this to get rich is in for a shock.

I've heard many a new owner talking about breeding their own dogs in order to make a few quid. I have never known any of them follow it through once they have looked further into it.
 
AmandaJR said:
The whole issue around breeding characteristics (exaggerating them) that turns out to be flipping awful for the dog has been around for ages. The KC say they're cleaning up their act but you still see plenty of dogs struggling to breathe etc and the German Shepherd that won his class this year still looked to have an exaggerated sloping back. The one that won last year was pretty much deformed so I guess that judge didn't get the memo.

Then you have Ewan Thomas presenting articles on rescue dogs etc when he's followed the trend and paid thousands for a French Bulldog - the hyprocrisy seemed lost on C4.

I also laugh when an owner says they have a "CockerSproggerLabradoodle" or whatever. They just mean they've spent thousands on a cross breed!

Then so often at Crufts the handler wasn't the owner or was the "co-owner" or the dog didn't live with them. It's all a business and I was thinking can it really make that much money but I guess stud fees and selling puppies can be lucrative. Perhaps they should change the rules and only dogs and bitches that have been neutered/spayed can compete...
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well said.

Its the current Trend Breeds that are the problem a lot of the time fueling puppy farms, like you say.

The GS that won last year, was pretty bad and this years wasn't much better.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Amanda, we bought a cocker spaniel from a proper KC recognised breeder. When we were coming away with a puppy my wife and I had a discussion about how much money could you make doing this. After vets fees, stud fees, registrations etc plus your own time and effort our opinion was not a lot. Certainly not worth it as a living. Now I accept a cocker spaniel puppy is not at the top end of the price scale but then it was not peanuts either.

Our spaniel goes to a kennels which is run by a lab breeder, someone who judges around Europe in dog competitions and I think at Crufts as well. Her dogs are lovely, they have top pedigrees and even imports sperm from other dogs if necessary, but she is careful how often each bitch breeds, it is not a puppy farm. She does it because she loves dogs, I think it was the same with our spaniel breeder. I suspect anyone looking to do this to get rich is in for a shock.

I've heard many a new owner talking about breeding their own dogs in order to make a few quid. I have never known any of them follow it through once they have looked further into it.
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AmandaJR said:
The whole issue around breeding characteristics (exaggerating them) that turns out to be flipping awful for the dog has been around for ages. The KC say they're cleaning up their act but you still see plenty of dogs struggling to breathe etc and the German Shepherd that won his class this year still looked to have an exaggerated sloping back. The one that won last year was pretty much deformed so I guess that judge didn't get the memo.

Then you have Ewan Thomas presenting articles on rescue dogs etc when he's followed the trend and paid thousands for a French Bulldog - the hyprocrisy seemed lost on C4.

I also laugh when an owner says they have a "CockerSproggerLabradoodle" or whatever. They just mean they've spent thousands on a cross breed!

Then so often at Crufts the handler wasn't the owner or was the "co-owner" or the dog didn't live with them. It's all a business and I was thinking can it really make that much money but I guess stud fees and selling puppies can be lucrative. Perhaps they should change the rules and only dogs and bitches that have been neutered/spayed can compete...
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Both My GSP are rescue dogs, i don't agree with buying a dog when there are so many that need a home.

As for the making money from Breeding, i suppose if you are unscrupulous and just do it for the money and don't care about the welfare of the dogs, there is plenty to be made.... unfortunately
 
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