Cricket World Cup

[Dan2501]

Same old story. We're not good enough in the middle overs, and haven't been for years. We can't stumble along at 4 an over and expect to save our boundaries for the last 10. The way South Africa, India and Australia approach the middle overs is completely different. We don't have anyone capable of the sort of performances in the middle overs that South Africa get from ABDV, India get from Kohli and Australia get from Smith/Maxwell. We're rubbish, and it needs to change. It won't though, been the same story the last 3 world cups.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Management has to go. They can't be allowed to oversee a debacle like that. Clear out the whole side, blood the youngsters and start again. Accpet we're now the worse one day side of all the test nations and some affilliation sides and get a five year programme in place - NOW. Of course we know it won't happen and the status quo will remain (all jobs for the boys and school tie still in place) and it'll get a lot worse yet.

 

[Tongo]

Management has to go. They can't be allowed to oversee a debacle like that. Clear out the whole side, blood the youngsters and start again. Accpet we're now the worse one day side of all the test nations and some affilliation sides and get a five year programme in place - NOW. Of course we know it won't happen and the status quo will remain (all jobs for the boys and school tie still in place) and it'll get a lot worse yet.

It wont happen cos the next World Cup is over here so the set up will convince themselves that England will be one of the favourites cos of favourable conditions.

 

[Foxholer]

Management has to go. They can't be allowed to oversee a debacle like that. Clear out the whole side, blood the youngsters and start again. Accpet we're now the worse one day side of all the test nations and some affilliation sides and get a five year programme in place - NOW. Of course we know it won't happen and the status quo will remain (all jobs for the boys and school tie still in place) and it'll get a lot worse yet.

Apart from the 'jobs for the boys' (and the 5 year program) comment, I don't think I could disagree with this more strongly than I do!

Find out the problem and address it. If it happens to be the management/coaching, then they should certainly go. But I don't believe it's simply down to that! There's plenty of talent in that team, but there's just so little confidence visible in what they are doing.

It's a good opportunity to instigate a complete re-assessment of all aspects of English Cricket though!

 

[Tongo]

Apart from the 'jobs for the boys' (and the 5 year program) comment, I don't think I could disagree with this more strongly than I do!

Find out the problem and address it. If it happens to be the management/coaching, then they should certainly go. But I don't believe it's simply down to that! There's plenty of talent in that team, but there's just so little confidence visible in what they are doing.

It's a good opportunity to instigate a complete re-assessment of all aspects of English Cricket though!

That is debateable. Yes, there's plenty of test talent but how many of those players can adapt to ODI cricket? Bell has once again flattered to deceive, Ballance was awful until dropped, Root anchors the side well, Taylor looks as if he could do a similar job. Ali has done little aside from the game against Scotland. You could argue that Morgan is a better player than his current form but ODI cricket is all about performing at the World Cup and Champions Trophy. The only player who looks to be a cracker is Buttler. And England like to keep him hidden at 7. They need to get the likes of Jason Roy into the team.

Bowling wise England look clueless. Bowling is a thankless task in the limited overs game but England dont seem to learn any lessons.

 

[Piece]

Really? Restricting a side to 275 on a decent batting deck and then watching Bell and Root stumble along at a combined strike rate of about 70? I think its blatantly obvious where England failed in this game.

Yes really. Bangladesh are at a minor counties level, maybe poor county level. Look at England's bowling performances so far in the WC:

- v Australia, concede 342
- v NZ concede 125 in 12 overs
- v Scotland, 184
- v Sri Lanka, 312-1
- v Bang, 275

Only bowled a team out once, the Scots. The rest? We got slapped around the park.

 

[Tongo]

Yes really. Bangladesh are at a minor counties level, maybe poor county level. Look at England's bowling performances so far in the WC:

- v Australia, concede 342
- v NZ concede 125 in 12 overs
- v Scotland, 184
- v Sri Lanka, 312-1
- v Bang, 275

Only bowled a team out once, the Scots. The rest? We got slapped around the park.

Not in ODI and / or T20 cricket they are not. Its that sort of dismissive attitude that has proved England's downfall in the past.

 

[Piece]

Not in ODI and / or T20 cricket they are not. Its that sort of dismissive attitude that has proved England's downfall in the past.

Rubbish. It's exactly the attitude that required. All the top ODI/T20 batters bat with this attitude - McCullum, DeVilliers, Warner, Maxwell, Finch, Gayle, blah. It's power hitting, taking the game to the bowlers. Reputation or status is irrelevant. No matter whether you're minor county level or top test bowler, you're going out of the ground approach. The days of "anchoring" an innings around Bell, Root or Taylor is so old school in ODI. It's not just me saying it; the Sky Sports pundits Ward, Gower, Strauss, Atherton, Lloyd, Hussain, Key all mentioned this.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'd like to see a separation of one day and test cricket. We are trying to bring test principles to the one day format and it simply does not work. Why is Jimmy Anderson bowling in this form when he consistently fails to perform? He never gets picked up for IPL as they know he is poor on that stage. Put him in the Test arena with a red ball, different bowler. Are people too wary of upsetting test players?

Separate them out, run them as different set ups. That will give the coaches and players more freedom. The nonsense of unsuitable test players, Cook, Anderson etc playing short form cricket is then less likely to happen.

 

[Tongo]

I'd like to see a separation of one day and test cricket. We are trying to bring test principles to the one day format and it simply does not work. Why is Jimmy Anderson bowling in this form when he consistently fails to perform? He never gets picked up for IPL as they know he is poor on that stage. Put him in the Test arena with a red ball, different bowler. Are people too wary of upsetting test players?

Separate them out, run them as different set ups. That will give the coaches and players more freedom. The nonsense of unsuitable test players, Cook, Anderson etc playing short form cricket is then less likely to happen.

Because England's selectors cant seem to differentiate between the 3 formats. They seem to assume that a player who performs in test matches will perform in the ODI game.

 

[Tongo]

Rubbish. It's exactly the attitude that required. All the top ODI/T20 batters bat with this attitude - McCullum, DeVilliers, Warner, Maxwell, Finch, Gayle, blah. It's power hitting, taking the game to the bowlers. Reputation or status is irrelevant. No matter whether you're minor county level or top test bowler, you're going out of the ground approach. The days of "anchoring" an innings around Bell, Root or Taylor is so old school in ODI. It's not just me saying it; the Sky Sports pundits Ward, Gower, Strauss, Atherton, Lloyd, Hussain, Key all mentioned this.

I didnt say it was, but never mind.

 

[Piece]

I didnt say it was, but never mind.

Bell has once again flattered to deceive, Ballance was awful until dropped, Root anchors the side well, Taylor looks as if he could do a similar job

Apologies, I inferred from above...

 

[vkurup]

Until they start playing IPL they wont know how to handle the pressure.. Like it or lump it, the world of one day cricket has evolved. But a bit of chicken & egg now - they havent played and cant handle and therefore no one wants to buy them in the IPL. Even KP is going at reserve prices..

 

[bladeplayer]

I thought it may be fear of failure or something ,
maybe take a group of 15 and say , this is it we are building for next ICC , you lot are in , express yer'selves

BUT im beginning to think maybe they are just not good enough , you cant live off past achievements or previous team/country achievements
step up to the plate and be counted ..

Fear of failure or not good enough? which ? .. in 60/40 in fabour they are not good enough at the min

 

[Foxholer]

Plenty of good (and possibly a few bad) opinions in the above.

But most are making the mistake of looking at the current situation and trying to patch that up. What really needs to happen, imo, is for 'the powers that be' to step back and get the whole setup looked at.

I'm inclined to agree that English Cricket's attitude to the IPL has contributed to their problem. That tournament certainly requires/promotes a different attitude by batsmen, the confidence of which is then carried over into the One-Day game!

 

[Farneyman]

Some great responses on twitter from some of the Irish.

http://balls.ie/cricket/irish-twitter-reaction-england-getting-knocked-cricket-world-cup/

 

[Tongo]

Some great responses on twitter from some of the Irish.

http://balls.ie/cricket/irish-twitter-reaction-england-getting-knocked-cricket-world-cup/

The European champions one made me smile.

 

[Beezerk]

On a positive note, Ben Stokes was in the group behind us at our course last summer (we play straight across from Durham CC).
Cracking golfer, he drives the ball a country mile and down the middle every time :whoo:

 

[vkurup]

I'd like to see a separation of one day and test cricket. We are trying to bring test principles to the one day format and it simply does not work. Why is Jimmy Anderson bowling in this form when he consistently fails to perform? He never gets picked up for IPL as they know he is poor on that stage. Put him in the Test arena with a red ball, different bowler. Are people too wary of upsetting test players?

Separate them out, run them as different set ups. That will give the coaches and players more freedom. The nonsense of unsuitable test players, Cook, Anderson etc playing short form cricket is then less likely to happen.

Its all right.. Did young Jimmy get picked for the TaylorMade 'Back to the future' opportunity next week.. he has been scoring like a golfer for a long while..

 

[richart]

I imagine Alastair Cook is having a little smirk to himself.