jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
That is more than we take in profit in a year in our bar
Course hole stroke index review.
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Arthur Wedge
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KenL
Tour Rookie
I don’t see the connection you are making.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
You said
"Can be costly if you need to change course signage."
I agree - cost to a club is relative.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
We recently revised all our SIs as we made all four tees measured for gender neutral and aligned/made common all SIs for ladies and gents. Most of us are getting used to the new SIs and I'm not aware of any issues or excessive costs the club incurred in getting it done.
As part of change to SIs our 210yd Par 3 15th had its SI changed from 9 to 15. Every time I play a stableford one of my group with a PH of <15 will comment/complain that the hole is never SI 15 - it's way too hard. I point out that they still get the shot - they just get it on a different hole - one where they prevcisouly didn't.
I also add that many - if not most - mid-high SF players find the hole hard and are as likely to get a 4 on it as a higher handicapper. In a match that lower player was often giving a shot to a half decent player...and that's really tough at that point of a match. That being especially tough as most players in a match against a SF player get a shot on 14th and 17th, plus 16 is another toughie for most players other than the lowest SF guys.
Most had not thought of the change in either of these two ways.
As part of change to SIs our 210yd Par 3 15th had its SI changed from 9 to 15. Every time I play a stableford one of my group with a PH of <15 will comment/complain that the hole is never SI 15 - it's way too hard. I point out that they still get the shot - they just get it on a different hole - one where they prevcisouly didn't.
I also add that many - if not most - mid-high SF players find the hole hard and are as likely to get a 4 on it as a higher handicapper. In a match that lower player was often giving a shot to a half decent player...and that's really tough at that point of a match. That being especially tough as most players in a match against a SF player get a shot on 14th and 17th, plus 16 is another toughie for most players other than the lowest SF guys.
Most had not thought of the change in either of these two ways.
D-S
Well-known member
Just a slightly picky point, tees are never gender neutral. It is just that some are rated for both genders.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Not sure I understand the differentiation. There are no longer Ladies tees and Gents tees - just tees. Only caveat to that is that our back (Silver) tees are not rated for Ladies. But I get your point that three of the four sets are rated for both Ladies and Gents.
D-S
Well-known member
If they are deemed 'gender neutral' then the rating CR/Slope would be the same for both genders (neutral).
They are not, it is just that the tee is rated for both genders, with different CR./Slope for each gender - there is nothing neutral about it.
Tashyboy
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They/them tees are for they/ them people.
sunshine
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rulie
Head Pro
The Olympics have got it correct.Fixed it for you to be appropriate for 2026.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I've only ever played one course that had two sets of stroke indexes for Stableford and matchplay. Every other course just uses the one, which invariably was designed for match play initially, hence you'll get roughly equal number of shots on the front and back nine.
sunshine
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I don't understand why we need an SI for stableford. It's just an allocation of handicap, it doesn't really matter where the shots fall.
On the other hand, for match play it's important to spread them out, and there needs to be a fair consideration of the type of hole. For example, a long par 3 is often a hard par / easy bogey, and it's just not fair to allocate a low SI to those holes.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
It does and it doesn't. I try hard to see it that way, i.e. I want to make a par, or bogey at worst, regardless of whether I get a shot or not. But I can't deny it affects me mentally when I know I'm not getting a shot on a hole in Stableford. It's like a small modicum of extra pressure to hit the green.
Yes, it's definitely more important in matchplay, so you're not giving shots on the first three holes straight away; or receiving shots on the final two holes but you've already lost the match by then.
Funny you should say that, our 215-yard par 3 is stroke 7 and in the mixed foursomes matchplay that I've played in the last three years we've given our opponents a shot there almost every match. As you say, it's irritating because pretty much everyone just bogeys it. But I would probably be upset if I didn't get a shot there in my next Stableford comp, haha. Swings and roundabouts.
sunshine
Well-known member
The highest SI's are often par threes for that reason - most people bogey them. At my course the par threes are SI 15-18 and they are definitely not the four easiest holes on the course.
When I'm playing stableford I don't even think of the SI. Rightly or wrongly I just play every hole as it comes and add up the points at the end.
When I'm playing stableford I don't even think of the SI. Rightly or wrongly I just play every hole as it comes and add up the points at the end.
rulie
Head Pro
Exactly. No sense worrying about where strokes are applied in stroke play - just play each shot and hole the best you can.
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