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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Scottish government considering and close to requiring high/secondary school students to wear masks between classes. Westminster says no way that masks will be required to be worn in England's schools.

Will be interesting to see whether Swinney/Sturgeon and Williamson/Johnson remained aligned on this given Scottish schools have returned and Swinney/Sturgeon say they are acting on new WTO guidance,
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I think that move was public driven.
Many parents concerned about the 16-18 age group.

Give England a couple of weeks and they will be following Scotland's lead again.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I think that move was public driven.
Many parents concerned about the 16-18 age group.

Give England a couple of weeks and they will be following Scotland's lead again.
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I think wearing masks in corridors/public areas in schools is sensible and should be uncontroversial. My 12 year old says he would prefer to wear one in school. He has accepted the public health message and doesn't see why the rules of virus transmission are different in the school.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
From 31st Aug masks will now be mandatory for Scottish secondary school children between classes
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My eldest grandsons school sent out a communication a week or so back advising the wearing of a face covering will be a requirement in communal areas when school reconvenes... Suspect they won't be the only school that's taken that decision without prompting from government...
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I think that move was public driven.
Many parents concerned about the 16-18 age group.

Give England a couple of weeks and they will be following Scotland's lead again.
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Indeed - and so after #10 told us just yesterday that there are no plans for face masks in schools - Johnson today tells us the guidance might change. I suppose - looking positively at this - that this is not the government preparing the ground for another U-turn after an adamant doubling-down on their decision and guidance - this is Johnson taking control of 'back to school'. However why open yourself to accusations of vacillation - just do it.
 
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[QUOTE="SwingsitlikeHogan, post: 2221544, member: 16449" that this is not the government preparing the ground for another U-turn after an adamant doubling-down on their decision and guidance - this is Johnson taking control of 'back to school'.[/QUOTE]

Alternatively, they may be looking at Scotland and how it's panning out (pupils and staff already infected in Dundee) and taking a more proactive stance. Of course that wouldn't fit with your anti government, Johnson bashing agenda but maybe, just maybe taking a pragmatic view based on the evidence emerging and changing plans accordingly should be applauded and that should masks in communial areas of school be mandatory they are actually looking after the health of staff and pupils as best as they can while trying to keep schools open and offer the best education possible in the current situation
 
Anyone with a medical background care to inform what issues there may be from long term mask wearing, I obviously don one for the supermarket etc but find them unpleasant.

Is there not a degree of reabsorbing CO2 or dampness from your own exhaled air hanging around inside the mask, a little like what you'd do if hyperventilating (brown bag treatment). An impeded airway, even slight, can't be good.
I guess surgeons, dentists and lab workers wear them though!
 
Alternatively, they may be looking at Scotland and how it's panning out (pupils and staff already infected in Dundee) and taking a more proactive stance. Of course that wouldn't fit with your anti government, Johnson bashing agenda but maybe, just maybe taking a pragmatic view based on the evidence emerging and changing plans accordingly should be applauded and that should masks in communial areas of school be mandatory they are actually looking after the health of staff and pupils as best as they can while trying to keep schools open and offer the best education possible in the current situation
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yes they are - that is indeed the correct thing to do.

But as @Ethan has said previously - the government shouldn't be so certain in the absolute correctness of their decisions...in ruling things in and ruling things out - and have such as Alok Sharma this morning declaring that there are no plans for face masks - not even for a review.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-mask-rules-in-english-schools-says-minister

Even a few hours ago #10 was saying the same. And now the PM sets out a different story. What happened to 'no review'? With their desperation to sound decisive and that their decisions would not be 'led' by such as Sturgeon - the government just ends up looking a bit indecisive. It's all very well being led by events over a period of time...because circumstances and understanding change and- but changing course sometimes on a daily basis? They don;t need to do this.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Alternatively, they may be looking at Scotland and how it's panning out (pupils and staff already infected in Dundee) and taking a more proactive stance. Of course that wouldn't fit with your anti government, Johnson bashing agenda but maybe, just maybe taking a pragmatic view based on the evidence emerging and changing plans accordingly should be applauded and that should masks in communial areas of school be mandatory they are actually looking after the health of staff and pupils as best as they can while trying to keep schools open and offer the best education possible in the current situation
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yes they are - that is indeed the correct thing to do.

But as @Ethan has said previously - the government shouldn't be so certain in the absolute correctness of their decisions...in ruling things in and ruling things out - and have such as Alok Sharma this morning declaring that there are no plans for face masks - not even for a review.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-mask-rules-in-english-schools-says-minister

Even a few hours ago #10 was saying the same. And now the PM sets out a different story. What happened to 'no review'? With their desperation to sound decisive and that their decisions would not be 'led' by such as Sturgeon - the government just ends up looking a bit indecisive. It's all very well being led by events over a period of time...because circumstances and understanding change and- but changing course sometimes on a daily basis? They don;t need to do this.[/QUOTE]

Surely you'd accept it is and remains a changing situation and so a decision taking today may, on review and fresh advice not be the right thing tomorrow. As for newspaper interviews I take every one of them with a large pinch of salt. Where is this need to sound decisive. They won the election and so in power for a good few years as it stands and so can simply get on with trying to sort an unprecedented mess out. I'd rather they changed tack if it means keeping pupils and staff safe especially as HID works in a school
 
Homer, expect you're on a mobile device but your quoting function seems to have gone haywire, you appear to be quoting yourself and then claiming SILHs words as if they're your own!
Hard to know who said what!
 
HomerJSimpson said:
yes they are - that is indeed the correct thing to do.

But as @Ethan has said previously - the government shouldn't be so certain in the absolute correctness of their decisions...in ruling things in and ruling things out - and have such as Alok Sharma this morning declaring that there are no plans for face masks - not even for a review.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-mask-rules-in-english-schools-says-minister

Even a few hours ago #10 was saying the same. And now the PM sets out a different story. What happened to 'no review'? With their desperation to sound decisive and that their decisions would not be 'led' by such as Sturgeon - the government just ends up looking a bit indecisive. It's all very well being led by events over a period of time...because circumstances and understanding change and- but changing course sometimes on a daily basis? They don;t need to do this.
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Surely you'd accept it is and remains a changing situation and so a decision taking today may, on review and fresh advice not be the right thing tomorrow. As for newspaper interviews I take every one of them with a large pinch of salt. Where is this need to sound decisive. They won the election and so in power for a good few years as it stands and so can simply get on with trying to sort an unprecedented mess out. I'd rather they changed tack if it means keeping pupils and staff safe especially as HID works in a school
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I may or may not agree with a decision - if and when a decision is made - to require secondary students to wear a mask between classes. That's not the point. Sharma said TODAY that there would be no review of the decision to NOT require masks to be worn - and hours later Johnson tells us that there IS a review underway. What changed? As this simply gives an impression that they do they not know what each other are saying or are going to say - and that they are making it up as they go along. Which is fine from week to week as we learn more - of course we all understand that - but not the way we are seeing government changes of mind day to day and even in the same day.
 
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The decision on masks in school is not based on science - it is all about the politics. Sharma is one of those obedient loyalists who discovers every now and again that he is not really in the loop.
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So, then, I must have missed it. What is your opinion on masks in schools, including secondary, I.e. near adults?, especially in view of events in Dundee.
Being a medical chap and a man of science, as opposed to a man of politics?
 
Swinglowandslow said:
So, then, I must have missed it. What is your opinion on masks in schools, including secondary, I.e. near adults?, especially in view of events in Dundee.
Being a medical chap and a man of science, as opposed to a man of politics?
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My opinion is that masks should be worn in school where possible, for example when classes are moving around and during arrival/departure.

I haven’t read the details of what happened in Dundee but near adults can certainly transmit the virus. The value is likely to be less and harder to enforce for primary schools.

Just to be clear, I think Johnson wants to do the right thing on this, but is getting pushback from some of his own MPs, such as this guy:

Marcus Fysh

He wants them banned, not even just not made mandatory.
 
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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/coronavirus-all-new-zealand-s-confirmed-covid-19-cases-to-be-put-in-quarantine-facilities-from-now-on.html

All confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New Zealand will be placed quarantine facilities from now on.

Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield announced the change at a press conference on Thursday, moments after revealing there are 13 new cases of coronavirus linked to an outbreak in south Auckland.

The use of quarantine facilities marks a major departure from how positive cases were managed by health officials when New Zealand was last at level 3, as cases earlier in the year were told to simply self-isolate in their homes.
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Missed this, interesting step up in action.
 
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