Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[Ethan]

"Big Sigh"
You really are the master of prevarication, never mind Brexit theres another thread for that but I guess in your 'lack of balance' world everything is a Brexit issue.

I asked you to show where the Government have reafirmed their pledge not to increase tax thresholds or Ni, maybe you can show me where they have said this recently, the 2019 manifesto is not recently.

In that newspaper link I sent previously, referenced income tax, NI and VAT. Dated July 6th, so I think he knew by then the economy was badly affected. Sorry if you don't like mentions of Brexit - I would be a bit embarrassed if I was a Brexiter too - but it is a consideration in thinking about the economy, and the UK could, and any responsible Govt would, negotiate a delay in order to decouple the potentially disastrous combo of end of transition and abad winter pandemic.

So, I asked you to comment on the political wisdom of this. You can mention Brexit too if you think it will help matters. Fire away.

 

[ColchesterFC]

In that newspaper link I sent previously, referenced income tax, NI and VAT. Dated July 6th, so I think he knew by then the economy was badly affected. Sorry if you don't like mentions of Brexit - I would be a bit embarrassed if I was a Brexiter too - but it is a consideration in thinking about the economy, and the UK could, and any responsible Govt would, negotiate a delay in order to decouple the potentially disastrous combo of end of transition and abad winter pandemic.

So, I asked you to comment on the political wisdom of this. You can mention Brexit too if you think it will help matters. Fire away.

Surely that would depend on what the EU wanted in return for a delay. If it means that we continue to pay our subs at the current level then it might not be a bad idea. If it means that we have to increase our payments and get landed with a percentage of the Covid recovery costs then it might not be such a good idea.

 

[Ethan]

Surely that would depend on what the EU wanted in return for a delay. If it means that we continue to pay our subs at the current level then it might not be a bad idea. If it means that we have to increase our payments and get landed with a percentage of the Covid recovery costs then it might not be such a good idea.

In the circumstances, I suspect the EU would welcome it. They will get a hit in Jan too, and probably would be happy to postpone that for at least 6 months. on the payments, that is still going to be cheaper than the costs of leaving right now, especially when ill-prepared. On Covid recovery, I don't think the UK will be subsiding anywhere else.

 

[ColchesterFC]

In the circumstances, I suspect the EU would welcome it. They will get a hit in Jan too, and probably would be happy to postpone that for at least 6 months. on the payments, that is still going to be cheaper than the costs of leaving right now, especially when ill-prepared. On Covid recovery, I don't think the UK will be subsiding anywhere else.

Unfortunately the costs of leaving are going to have to be paid at some point. I'm not convinced that delaying it for 6 months will make that much of a difference. Possibly better to rip off the plaster and get the pain out of the way earlier. I'm not sure that we will be any better prepared in 6 months time than we are now. We could delay our departure by 10 years and nothing would be publicly resolved for the first 9 years, 364 days and there would be a mad scramble to get something agreed in the last 5 minutes before the deadline.

 

[Ethan]

Unfortunately the costs of leaving are going to have to be paid at some point. I'm not convinced that delaying it for 6 months will make that much of a difference. Possibly better to rip off the plaster and get the pain out of the way earlier. I'm not sure that we will be any better prepared in 6 months time than we are now. We could delay our departure by 10 years and nothing would be publicly resolved for the first 9 years, 364 days and there would be a mad scramble to get something agreed in the last 5 minutes before the deadline.

The costs of membership are less than the costs of leaving. Ripping off the plaster right now is akin to taking the patient off the ventilator immediately to see if they can breathe spontaneously. They probably can’t but at least it brings certainty.

Not even the ardent Brexiters imagined that the final departure would be part of a cataclysmic double whammy of economic effects. No sane economist thinks this is a good idea.

 

[SocketRocket]

In that newspaper link I sent previously, referenced income tax, NI and VAT. Dated July 6th, so I think he knew by then the economy was badly affected. Sorry if you don't like mentions of Brexit - I would be a bit embarrassed if I was a Brexiter too - but it is a consideration in thinking about the economy, and the UK could, and any responsible Govt would, negotiate a delay in order to decouple the potentially disastrous combo of end of transition and abad winter pandemic.

So, I asked you to comment on the political wisdom of this. You can mention Brexit too if you think it will help matters. Fire away.

That article is the Manifesto dated 2019, it makes no new pledge to uphold the tax and Ni levels. The Chancellor has already told us we are in for a hard time and no doubt we will be informed what that means in due course.

Brexit is a pledge and has been realised so you need to get over it rather than continueing to harp on about your sad loss. Hanging on to the lost dream by our fingernails will cost us dearly and only delay us making the commitment we need push ahead with the changes needed to create a better future. If being a part of it is an embarrassment to you then there are alternatives you could consider.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Credit to the Government for preparing for the perfect storm.
https://news.sky.com/story/revealed...-spike-coincides-with-no-deal-brexit-12055049

 

[Ethan]

That article is the Manifesto dated 2019, it makes no new pledge to uphold the tax and Ni levels. The Chancellor has already told us we are in for a hard time and no doubt we will be informed what that means in due course.

Brexit is a pledge and has been realised so you need to get over it rather than continueing to harp on about your sad loss. Hanging on to the lost dream by our fingernails will cost us dearly and only delay us making the commitment we need push ahead with the changes needed to create a better future. If being a part of it is an embarrassment to you then there are alternatives you could consider.

No, it was a newspaper report in the Yorkshire Post dated 6 July 2020. Read it this time. The manifesto pledge was not to increase income tax, NI or VAT, and all were specifically mentioned again in July.

Seems you think some pledges are sacrosanct but others can be changed if needed.

 

[SocketRocket]

No, it was a newspaper report in the Yorkshire Post dated 6 July 2020. Read it this time. The manifesto pledge was not to increase income tax, NI or VAT, and all were specifically mentioned again in July.

Seems you think some pledges are sacrosanct but others can be changed if needed.

It was an article posting the Conservative manifesto from 2019, that's not a re-conformation of it.

I have posted a number of times that if the Government wish to keep to their manifeso commitments on tax and Ni then it's up to them to explain how they will do it but the Chancellor has already told us we can expect hard times ahead. I don't don't understand why you keep asking.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Had a tidy up, deleted a few posts and issued a warning or 2

Please can we post respecting other members opinions, without any insults and agreeing to disagree where appropriate.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Scottish government considering and close to requiring high/secondary school students to wear masks between classes. Westminster says no way that masks will be required to be worn in England's schools.

Will be interesting to see whether Swinney/Sturgeon and Williamson/Johnson remained aligned on this given Scottish schools have returned and Swinney/Sturgeon say they are acting on new WTO guidance,

 

[Ethan]

It was an article posting the Conservative manifesto from 2019, that's not a re-conformation of it.

I have posted a number of times that if the Government wish to keep to their manifeso commitments on tax and Ni then it's up to them to explain how they will do it but the Chancellor has already told us we can expect hard times ahead. I don't don't understand why you keep asking.

Johnson said it on 6/7/20 - click here

 

[Old Skier]

Strange that the BBC are giving the average for new Covid cases but have stopped reporting the average on deaths.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Strange that the BBC are giving the average for new Covid cases but have stopped reporting the average on deaths.

Why strange...what are Sky reporting?

 

[Old Skier]

Why strange...what are Sky reporting?

I don’t know, what are Sky reporting.

Strange because they were reporting it before. Why do the average on one and all of a sudden stop on the other.

 

[SocketRocket]

Johnson said it on 6/7/20 - click here

I have explained something, try to keep up.
I said its unreasonable to suggest the government cannot digress fiscally from their manifesto due to he Corona virus pandemic and I stand by that but if they want to keep to their manifesto then that's something for them to figure out.

but if the government decide not to then they will need to show what measures they will use to reduce the increased defecit. I am not in a position of making that decision for them.

I also explained that if they decide not to increase tax or NI then it's for them to show how they will do this.

The Chancellor has already told us we are in for a hard time and no doubt we will be informed what that means in due course.

You will see that I have repeated the same comment to you a number of times and will not do it again as you seem to be ignoring it. There is no mileage in this now, we dont agree, we never will agree so its pointless going round in circles. I wont comment further.

 

[Foxholer]

... we dont agree, we never will agree so its pointless going round in circles. I wont comment further.

Hoorah!
Can you keep to this 'promise' though?!

 

[Ethan]

You will see that I have repeated the same comment to you a number of times and will not do it again as you seem to be ignoring it. There is no mileage in this now, we dont agree, we never will agree so its pointless going round in circles. I wont comment further.

Works for me, but you had repeatedly said that I had only posted the 2019 manifesto. That was manifestly untrue. I won't comment further to you if you don't to me.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Scottish government considering and close to requiring high/secondary school students to wear masks between classes. Westminster says no way that masks will be required to be worn in England's schools.

Will be interesting to see whether Swinney/Sturgeon and Williamson/Johnson remained aligned on this given Scottish schools have returned and Swinney/Sturgeon say they are acting on new WTO guidance,

And nothing to do perhaps with an outbreak at a Dundee school and a desperate bid by Sturgeon and co to keep the Scottish schools open https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...members-and-two-pupils-test-positive-12055594

 

[ExRabbit]

Works for me, but you had repeatedly said that I had only posted the 2019 manifesto. That was manifestly untrue. I won't comment further to you if you don't to me.