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Neither Sunak or 'Government ' have any money.

Any giveaways will add to the UK £2tn debt which is accruing interest: it is not FREE, it must be repaid via taxes.

Householders who have used the mortgage payment holiday have not had an interest holiday.

In general the UK has been pretty generous compared to many nations but economic realism must start to come into play.

We will never balance the books. Yes we will have to pay it back in taxes but it's all fantasy money ..... We will always have debt

It would be better to support people to keep them in homes so they carry on working etc. If you have no where to live how long can you go working etc? It all adds up

2 trillion or 2.1 trillion it will still just be money that never gets fully repaid
 
Neither Sunak or 'Government ' have any money.

Any giveaways will add to the UK £2tn debt which is accruing interest: it is not FREE, it must be repaid via taxes.

Householders who have used the mortgage payment holiday have not had an interest holiday.

In general the UK has been pretty generous compared to many nations but economic realism must start to come into play.

So how does Johnson stick to his recently reaffirmed manifesto pledge of not raising national insurance, VAT or income taxes?

Through economic growth? Not a chance. least of all with a calamitous Brexit.

They could tax their mates with lots of offshore money. Just kidding, that will never happen.

Sunak has had it easy so far, throwing money around without protest while sounding much more reasonable than other Tories. He will find the going getting a lot tougher soon.
 
We will never balance the books. Yes we will have to pay it back in taxes but it's all fantasy money ..... We will always have debt

It would be better to support people to keep them in homes so they carry on working etc. If you have no where to live how long can you go working etc? It all adds up

2 trillion or 2.1 trillion it will still just be money that never gets fully repaid

Except the higher interest will reduce the Budget and thus public services, infrastructure and investment.

It's is real money when it hits real people and employers and its naive to think there is no reckoning.
 
I see the ban on evictions is lifted on Sunday. That's not good. Hearing stories of landlords threatening eviction action starting next week unless rent arrears are paid immediately. And of course many whose work is still on hold or who have lost their jobs have no income to pay what they owe - and there is no scope to pay arrears out of their UC - if that's what they are on - even if they can make up the shortfall between UC contribution to the rent and what they will be paying.

Houseowners who are in the same income situation could be taking a mortgage 'holiday' - money still has to be paid back but at least they might can a sympathetic ear or a rearrangement from the lender. Many private landlords may not feel they are able to be so accommodating - they may have mortgage payments or arrears to meet themselves. Risk of surge in homeless. What to do. Very worrying time for many.

Can or should the government do anything - or is it just tough - and a fact of life when you are on the dole. Meanwhile self-employed can apply for a second grant to keep themselves going...whether they need the money or not.

Legal beaggles say the current eviction process takes over 3 months even after court proceedings take place so although it’s an issue that needs resolving for both the tenants and landlords nobody will be out on their ear immediately.
 
Legal beaggles say the current eviction process takes over 3 months even after court proceedings take place so although it’s an issue that needs resolving for both the tenants and landlords nobody will be out on their ear immediately.

Add to that the covid related backlogs in the courts and you could be looking 6 months plus.
 
Add to that the covid related backlogs in the courts and you could be looking 6 months plus.
...and meanwhile for all that time the landlord has debt collection agencies banging on your door - whilst living in the fear that eviction is coming and that there is simply nothing you can do about it unless you are lucky enough to find a job and further income.
 
...and meanwhile for all that time the landlord has debt collection agencies banging on your door - whilst living in the fear that eviction is coming and that there is simply nothing you can do about it unless you are lucky enough to find a job and further income.
You seem to tar all the landlords as bad guys, why, the majority are reasonable people. What is your beef, what proof have you that the thousands of landlords are about to evict all their tenants.
 
You seem to tar all the landlords as bad guys, why, the majority are reasonable people. What is your beef, what proof have you that the thousands of landlords are about to evict all their tenants.
Am I? I don’t think I made any general point - just one highlighting the terrible stresses and worries many of our Fellow citizens are currently living with and fearing. And if there was little risk why did the government even bother having a ban on evictions?
 
Am I? I don’t think I made any general point - just one highlighting the terrible stresses and worries many of our Fellow citizens are currently living with and fearing. And if there was little risk why did the government even bother having a ban on evictions?
General point, what a load of tosh, you made one of your predictable one size catch all attacks on what the government did. Perhaps they should have done nothing but there again they extended the legislation for another month so you can increase your post count in 30 days time with another unsubstantiated attack.
 
So how does Johnson stick to his recently reaffirmed manifesto pledge of not raising national insurance, VAT or income taxes?

Through economic growth? Not a chance. least of all with a calamitous Brexit.

They could tax their mates with lots of offshore money. Just kidding, that will never happen.

Sunak has had it easy so far, throwing money around without protest while sounding much more reasonable than other Tories. He will find the going getting a lot tougher soon.
How can he be held to a manifesto pledge when the whole world has been through an ecconomic mincer. Surely even you must realise that.
 
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General point, what a load of tosh, you made one of your predictable one size catch all attacks on what the government did. Perhaps they should have done nothing but there again they extended the legislation for another month so you can increase your post count in 30 days time with another unsubstantiated attack.
I did not attack the government - I said that I hoped they'd reconsider ending the ban on evictions. I then said that if they didn't then that would be their choice to put many people and families at risk of eviction. THAT is what I said.

And let's not forget that some here are not great fans of such government intervention and support. However it is excellent news that they have extended the ban on evictions and gone further to make it necessary for landlords to give 6months notice.

Another poster in response to mine suggested somewhat sarcastically that it was all the governments fault - I did not suggest it was (whatever it was) - and another asked - what do you suggest should happen? Well the government has answered that question - and so I might be tempted to ask those who disagreed with the substance or the tone of my couple of posts on the matter - what do you suggest they should have done? Because oviously there was some push back against my hope of an extension.
 
How can he be held to a manifesto pledge when the whole world has been through a minser. Surely even you must realise that.

What is a minser?

Johnson repeated the promise in July. Read this

I know that it is, as with most of his other utterances, a lie, but I didn't make him say it. Surely even you must realise that?

I would be more than happy to see him break it, given the exceptional circumstances, so long as he did the same with Brexit for the same reasons.
 
How can he be held to a manifesto pledge when the whole world has been through an ecconomic mincer. Surely even you must realise that.
Well, he should be - until he explains that that manifesto is no longer viable! I'd possibly/probably forgive him for having to do so, but, imo, it would still go down as a broken manifesto pledge! Remember that the Manifesto is, supposedly, a set of promises that forms the basis upon which voters select which party to vote for! If they go back on those promises, there's an argument for the government resigning and calling another election - with an 'adjusted' Manifesto!
 
Well, he should be - until he explains that that manifesto is no longer viable! I'd possibly/probably forgive him for having to do so, but, imo, it would still go down as a broken manifesto pledge! Remember that the Manifesto is, supposedly, a set of promises that forms the basis upon which voters select which party to vote for! If they go back on those promises, there's an argument for the government resigning and calling another election - with an 'adjusted' Manifesto!

He has had plenty of chances to row back on it, and get away with it, but has chosen not to.
 
What is a minser?

Johnson repeated the promise in July. Read this

I know that it is, as with most of his other utterances, a lie, but I didn't make him say it. Surely even you must realise that?

I would be more than happy to see him break it, given the exceptional circumstances, so long as he did the same with Brexit for the same reasons.
You will notice I corrected that typo.
 
Well, he should be - until he explains that that manifesto is no longer viable! I'd possibly/probably forgive him for having to do so, but, imo, it would still go down as a broken manifesto pledge! Remember that the Manifesto is, supposedly, a set of promises that forms the basis upon which voters select which party to vote for! If they go back on those promises, there's an argument for the government resigning and calling another election - with an 'adjusted' Manifesto!
So a World wide pandemic that has put the global economy into chaos needs spelling out on how it will decimate the previous budget plans. We will hear soon enough how we will need to tighten our belts, the timing may not suit some but the Government may just have a few other things on and some rather difficult plans to make rather than apologising to a bunch of pedants that their manifesto needs changing. get real for crying out load.
 
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