Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[Ethan]

There you go again blinded with prejudice. You have absolutely nothing but vitriolic castigation for the Government and EVERYTHING they do, never a mention of doing something good or even reasonably. How can anyone discuss a subject with someone so politically blinkered.

I have repeatedly asked you to tell me where specifically I am wrong and you are unable or unwilling to do so. If you want to see political blinkering looks like, get a mirror. Otherwise spare me your hypocrisy.

Also, click on my username and press the button marked 'Ignore'. That'll help your obviously dangerously high blood pressure and save you from having to find other phrases since now that you have descended to 'vitriolic castigation', I fear you will have to recycle old material and no comic likes to do that.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Actually the health policies and logistics are very similar, just a matter of scale. Closing the borders is perfectly possible and does not need to be overnight, although the recent addition of Spain to quarantine countries was done same day despite many Brits being in Spain at the time.

As for the economic consequences, those have been dire already and won't be getting much better anytime soon.

And a country of 5m seemed to be mostly able to manage the issues associated with having a city of 1.6m - one third of the population of the whole country.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

We now have an authorised vaccine from Russia.

Wonder if its good news...

 

[SocketRocket]

I have repeatedly asked you to tell me where specifically I am wrong and you are unable or unwilling to do so. If you want to see political blinkering looks like, get a mirror. Otherwise spare me your hypocrisy.

Also, click on my username and press the button marked 'Ignore'. That'll help your obviously dangerously high blood pressure and save you from having to find other phrases since now that you have descended to 'vitriolic castigation', I fear you will have to recycle old material and no comic likes to do that.

There we go, I give you reasons where you are being blinkered and you then suggest I havent. As a medical Doctor I find it worrying you make sarcastic comments on someones health. Unbelievable!

I can only suggest that 'Physician heal thineself' and click that button ?

 

[Ethan]

There we go, I give you reasons where you are being blinkered and you then suggest I havent. As a medical Doctor I find it worrying you make sarcastic comments on someones health. Unbelievable!

I can only suggest that 'Physician heal thineself' and click that button ?

I don't know anything about your health other than some assumptions based on observing your aggression and rage. I am quite chilled, thanks. I can do this all day stopped only by boredom.

Oh and you gave no reasons why you thought I was blinkered, you just ranted. Tell me why I am wrong about any specific argument I use to say the Govt has done a bad job.

 

[Ethan]

We now have an authorised vaccine from Russia.

Wonder if its good news...

There isn't a bargepole long enough for me to touch that vaccine.

 

[SocketRocket]

And a country of 5m seemed to be mostly able to manage the issues associated with having a city of 1.6m - one third of the population of the whole country.

And 20% of London with a tiny fraction of the international movement of people.

 

[Ethan]

And a country of 5m seemed to be mostly able to manage the issues associated with having a city of 1.6m - one third of the population of the whole country.

The population question is a false objection. Funny enough they don't use it with Germany or S. Korea.

 

[SocketRocket]

I don't know anything about your health other than some assumptions based on observing your aggression and rage. I am quite chilled, thanks. I can do this all day stopped only by boredom.

If you dont know anything about my health then why mention my blood pressure. Aggression and rage! Oh dear!!

 

[Ethan]

If you dont know anything about my health then why mention my blood pressure. Aggression and rage! Oh dear!!

How would I know you have blood pressure? OK, i know you are a Brexiter, so that is a clue, I suppose, and 'vitriolic castigation', mmm, sounds like you want to pack as much outrage into an antiquated term as possible, so that is another clue.

 

[drdel]

Actually the health policies and logistics are very similar, just a matter of scale. Closing the borders is perfectly possible and does not need to be overnight, although the recent addition of Spain to quarantine countries was done same day despite many Brits being in Spain at the time.

As for the economic consequences, those have been dire already and won't be getting much better anytime soon.

"...just a matter of scale." This is quite a ridiculous statement, the procurement, distribution and logistical issues are widely different and it shows a lack of comprehension of the subjects.

Comparisons are pretty futile as the recording methods, data integrity and criteria vary internationally. it is fine to assess the various approaches taken by the medics but each country/city starts from a different position, population demographics and homogeneity are unique, the proportion of of ethnic minorities and their population density and integration/distribution are also confounding variable.

Of course we may have done things better; but we didn't.

Our economic position is "not dire" and using this language for effect just shows a poor understanding of international economics. Yes it is serious, of course it is and the UK is not pretending otherwise - no country holds enough reserves of the stuff needed; perhaps we should but we didn't. The UK will be more agile without the drag of the EU. The EU has broken its own rules on borrowing and has applied its rule differently in France and Germany who are the main beneficiaries of the Ponsi system. The EU is now built on debt and the difference in the economic structures of the Southern and Eastern members will begin to raise even more tensions. International economists have long derided the EU's ability to develop a coherent set of policies but at the end of the day it is a internal market protection scheme that has mostly benefited Germany and France ( the CAP is the biggest budget item with 80% going to France).

The medical profession has admitted they now know more about caring for COVID patients and the mortality rate has reduced; nobody is suggesting they got it wrong because people died unnecessarily before they understood the treatment correctly.

Lessons will be learnt.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

We now have an authorised vaccine from Russia.

Wonder if its good news...

Would you be in the queue to use it? . I'm not sure if I would until it had been tested elsewhere and cleared.

 

[Ethan]

"...just a matter of scale." This is quite a ridiculous statement, the procurement, distribution and logistical issues are widely different and it shows a lack of comprehension of the subjects.

Comparisons are pretty futile as the recording methods, data integrity and criteria vary internationally. it is fine to assess the various approaches taken by the medics but each country/city starts from a different position, population demographics and homogeneity are unique, the proportion of of ethnic minorities and their population density and integration/distribution are also confounding variable.

Of course we may have done things better; but we didn't.

Our economic position is "not dire" and using this language for effect just shows a poor understanding of international economics. Yes it is serious, of course it is and the UK is not pretending otherwise - no country holds enough reserves of the stuff needed; perhaps we should but we didn't. The UK will be more agile without the drag of the EU. The EU has broken its own rules on borrowing and has applied its rule differently in France and Germany who are the main beneficiaries of the Ponsi system. The EU is now built on debt and the difference in the economic structures of the Southern and Eastern members will begin to raise even more tensions. International economists have long derided the EU's ability to develop a coherent set of policies but at the end of the day it is a internal market protection scheme that has mostly benefited Germany and France ( the CAP is the biggest budget item with 80% going to France).

The medical profession has admitted they now know more about caring for COVID patients and the mortality rate has reduced; nobody is suggesting they got it wrong because people died unnecessarily before they understood the treatment correctly.

Lessons will be learnt.

International comparisons have been part of health surveillance and the understanding of disease for centuries. Much has been learnt from it and the quality of data and systems for understanding it has improved a lot in recent years. The virus is the same virus in different countries. Blithely dismissing international comparisons because not all countries are the same is simply wrong.

As for the economy it most certainly is dire. Dire. More dire. And. This.

Nobody in their right mind think Brexit will help matters. The best case from Govt is that the effects will be difficult to separate from the white noise of Covid. Ponzi is spelt with a 'z'. Govt funding systems are all pyramid schemes, by the way. People pay taxes now they are paying for benefits later, but today's taxes pay today's benefits, not your future benefits. The NHS is a massive Ponzi scheme by your thinking. Calling things Ponzi schemes ads no insight except to identify the writer as a right winger.

The last little jab against the medical profession is revealing. The medical profession is not one united homogeneous system, but setting that aside, you are saying that they learned and adapted to respond better. They also started treating Covid using well established and tested principles, but responded to new data. That is exactly the issue. If only the Govt had done the same. You have made my argument for me.

 

[drdel]

International comparisons have been part of health surveillance and the understanding of disease for centuries. Much has been learnt from it and the quality of data and systems for understanding it has improved a lot in recent years. The virus is the same virus in different countries. Blithely dismissing international comparisons because not all countries are the same is simply wrong.

As for the economy it most certainly is dire. Dire. More dire. And. This.

Nobody in their right mind think Brexit will help matters. The best case from Govt is that the effects will be difficult to separate from the white noise of Covid. Ponzi is spelt with a 'z'. Govt funding systems are all pyramid schemes, by the way. People pay taxes now they are paying for benefits later, but today's taxes pay today's benefits, not your future benefits. The NHS is a massive Ponzi scheme by your thinking. Calling things Ponzi schemes ads no insight except to identify the writer as a right winger.

The last little jab against the medical profession is revealing. The medical profession is not one united homogeneous system, but setting that aside, you are saying that they learned and adapted to respond better. They also started treating Covid using well established and tested principles, but responded to new data. That is exactly the issue. If only the Govt had done the same. You have made my argument for me.

It might be an idea to read the full sentence and think.

I guess you're too intent on a put down.

No point in replying to your posts. Have fun.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Would you be in the queue to use it? . I'm not sure if I would until it had been tested elsewhere and cleared.

As you say needs more testing and some valid test results being issued for review(don't think any have been issued still ).

In some ways its exciting and concerning and the next chapter to this story is going to start with vaccinations. I hope it works for the people who are going to be given it.

 

[Jamesbrown]

We now have an authorised vaccine from Russia.

Wonder if its good news...

I’ll be having no vaccine for a good few years wherever it’s from! But cheers anyway vlad!

 

[User62651]

I’ll be having no vaccine for a good few years wherever it’s from! But cheers anyway vlad!

Is that not a little presumptive? If a vaccine is developed (in the West, not a Russian one) and you don't take it Covid may not allow you the chance to wait a good few years!
It is a dilemma for a lot of us I grant you.
If we didn't accept vaccines for any number of historic unpleasant diseases where would we be?

 

[Deleted member 21258]

I’ll be having no vaccine for a good few years wherever it’s from! But cheers anyway vlad!

 

[Jamesbrown]

Is that not a little presumptive? If a vaccine is developed (in the West, not a Russian one) and you don't take it Covid may not allow you the chance to wait a good few years!
It is a dilemma for a lot of us I grant you.
If we didn't accept vaccines for any number of historic unpleasant diseases where would we be?

I’d take any vaccine from Russia to Canada, just not something that’s been rushed with 0 years data.
I’ll let others be the guinea pig. I’m contempt with getting Covid but I don’t fancy some unknown side defect.

 

[Billysboots]

We now have an authorised vaccine from Russia.

Wonder if its good news...

Called Sputnik V, apparently.

All sounds a bit too Thunderbirds for my liking..............