Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[Lord Tyrion]

I trust the ministers in Scotland more than I trust Johnson and such as Williamson. And as for Johnson lecturing us about morals - as in children not returning to school being 'morally indefensible' - well (yes I read the Sunday Times article). Well at least that can make me smile before I shake my head.

They are making the exact same decision based on the same data, coming to the same conclusions. You either accept both on this or neither as there is no difference between them.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I share your concerns but issues are exactly the same. It has been said before, this virus doesn't see borders, it doesn't see worthy causes. No need to make the schools decision a country v country one.

Oh come on.......I was just stating the bleeding obvious.
I am certain the folk living on the Western Isles will be saying exactly the same thing about the Scottish central belt.
You asked about Scotland Vs England and got a reply about Scotland vs England.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Oh come on.......I was just stating the bleeding obvious.
I am certain the folk living on the Western Isles will be saying exactly the same thing about the Scottish central belt.
You asked about Scotland Vs England and got a reply about Scotland vs England.

Sorry, that line was not pointed at you (shock horror ). It was for SILH.

I genuinely agree with your points about the grandparents who are picking up their kids at the gate, those who will be mixing with the kids at home and so on. That is a worry but it doesn't seem to have been a problem in Denmark and the likes so hopefully we are worrying over nothing.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sorry, that line was not pointed at you (shock horror ). It was for SILH.

I genuinely agree with your points about the grandparents who are picking up their kids at the gate, those who will be mixing with the kids at home and so on. That is a worry but it doesn't seem to have been a problem in Denmark and the likes so hopefully we are worrying over nothing.

Fair enough
BTW Hogan lives in Surrey so maybe not entirely up to date with what's occurring re Scottish schools.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Fair enough
BTW Hogan lives in Surrey so maybe not entirely up to date with what's occurring re Scottish schools.

I know he lives down there but what is happening in all 4 home nations is well publicised so that is not an excuse. I'm happy to have a good debate, I'm no fan of Boris, but it has to be a debate and not just yet another cheap jibe. That gets boring, there is no debate in that.

 

[GB72]

I know he lives down there but what is happening in all 4 home nations is well publicised so that is not an excuse. I'm happy to have a good debate, I'm no fan of Boris, but it has to be a debate and not just yet another cheap jibe. That gets boring, there is no debate in that.

This I agree with. I enjoy debating points and am happy to be swayed one way or the other as I have no real political allegiance aside from supporting centerist parties where one exists as I have no time for either hard right or extreme left. The last election left me no preferable option.

 

[SocketRocket]

Much less virulent in Scotland though.

Even allowing for that everyone is pretty apprehensive, the main worries are about grandchildren infection grandparents.
Many grandparents are like us and involved in child care in the 3pm to 6pm period.
Scottish Grannies social distancing at school gates worries me a bit.

That really is a silly comment ?

 

[Ethan]

I don't think any of the Sky crew are in SF. The closed doors events have a very limited media attendance and the feed is then picked up by other broadcasters.


I don't think there are any Sky Sports people onsite at the PGA. Looks like it is all remote using the feed from ESPN/CBS.

In fact Rich Beem was onsite, but he had qualified to play as a former winner. MC'd by a fair margin, though but was therefore able to stick around for the rest.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

They are making the exact same decision based on the same data, coming to the same conclusions. You either accept both on this or neither as there is no difference between them.

They might well be - but as DfT says - I don't live in Scotland. However the problem for me is not so much the advice or the decisions being made on schooling ...it's about the politicians in Westminster mouthing them. I don't need to trust Sturgeon and her crew in Holyrood. However I am asked (and need) to believe and trust Johnson and his lot in Westminster. And by their words and actions over the last 4 years (and indeed to an extent in some matters over the last 6months) I just don't.

 

[drdel]

They might well be - but as DfT says - I don't live in Scotland. However the problem for me is not so much the advice or the decisions being made on schooling ...it's about the politicians in Westminster mouthing them. I don't need to trust Sturgeon and her crew in Holyrood. However I am asked (and need) to believe and trust Johnson and his lot in Westminster. And by their words and actions over the last 4 years (and indeed to an extent in some matters over the last 6months) I just don't.

Grandparents collecting kids at school gates are usually in the open air and can SD. They are unlikely to be interacting closely for more than 15mins and can wear masks so the probability of transmission is likely to be pretty low.

 

[Hobbit]

They might well be - but as DfT says - I don't live in Scotland. However the problem for me is not so much the advice or the decisions being made on schooling ...it's about the politicians in Westminster mouthing them. I don't need to trust Sturgeon and her crew in Holyrood. However I am asked (and need) to believe and trust Johnson and his lot in Westminster. And by their words and actions over the last 4 years (and indeed to an extent in some matters over the last 6months) I just don't.

What? You don't believe or trust Johnson and the Tories? Well there's an absolute shock. Do you think we care?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Grandparents collecting kids at school gates are usually in the open air and can SD. They are unlikely to be interacting closely for more than 15mins and can wear masks so the probability of transmission is likely to be pretty low.

This I know - as the experts tell me so.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What? You don't believe or trust Johnson and the Tories? Well there's an absolute shock. Do you think we care?

No.

But I am not the only one who does not trust the government - and the analysis and tracking of public opinion shows a lot of trust in the government handling of the pandemic was lost with the Cummings fiasco.

That there is a lack of belief or trust in the government in many seems to have produced variable acceptance, and following of, the measures we are asked to adhere to - and it gives an excuse to those who don't want to - or can't be bothered - to do as requested. And that should matter to us all.

So on schools and low risk of infection I can listen to the experts and I can believe and trust them. When a minister or Johnson then reiterates the same point I instinctively look for political motive.

 

[chrisd]

No.

But I am not the only one who does not trust the government - and the analysis and tracking of public opinion shows a lot of trust in the government handling of the pandemic was lost with the Cummings fiasco.

That there is a lack of belief or trust in the government in many seems to have produced variable acceptance, and following of, the measures we are asked to adhere to - and it gives an excuse to those who don't want to - or can't be bothered - to do as requested. And that should matter to us all.

So on schools and low risk of infection I can listen to the experts and I can believe and trust them. When a minister or Johnson then reiterates the same point I instinctively look for political motive.

So when it is a politician talking you look for a political motive mmmmmmmm I never thought of that ??

 

[Hobbit]

No.

But I am not the only one who does not trust the government - and the analysis and tracking of public opinion shows a lot of trust in the government handling of the pandemic was lost with the Cummings fiasco.

That there is a lack of belief or trust in the government in many seems to have produced variable acceptance, and following of, the measures we are asked to adhere to - and it gives an excuse to those who don't want to - or can't be bothered - to do as requested. And that should matter to us all.

So on schools and low risk of infection I can listen to the experts and I can believe and trust them. When a minister or Johnson then reiterates the same point I instinctively look for political motive.

I’m a socialist Hugh, and want a socialist govt, as do so many people. However, your postS are frequently at the extreme end of whatever subject you post on, and very disparaging of anything that doesn’t come close to your version of the truth.

As for trusting the experts on schools; I wonder who pays them for their opinion? Here in Southern Spain the testing regime sees everyone and their dog tested when there’s an outbreak. 25% of under 4‘s are showing positive and 33% of under 15’s. Granted their version of how bad it is is usually not much more than a sniffle. But what about their parents and grandparents, and their friends parents and grandparents?

 

[Ethan]

Grandparents collecting kids at school gates are usually in the open air and can SD. They are unlikely to be interacting closely for more than 15mins and can wear masks so the probability of transmission is likely to be pretty low.

I agree. The risk between one another, if SDing, at the school gates is low. The risk of getting it from the grandchild

What? You don't believe or trust Johnson and the Tories? Well there's an absolute shock. Do you think we care?

No.

But I am not the only one who does not trust the government - and the analysis and tracking of public opinion shows a lot of trust in the government handling of the pandemic was lost with the Cummings fiasco.

That there is a lack of belief or trust in the government in many seems to have produced variable acceptance, and following of, the measures we are asked to adhere to - and it gives an excuse to those who don't want to - or can't be bothered - to do as requested. And that should matter to us all.

So on schools and low risk of infection I can listen to the experts and I can believe and trust them. When a minister or Johnson then reiterates the same point I instinctively look for political motive.

I don't trust the Govt on Covid either.

They embarked on a herd immunity strategy, a strategy intended to let the virus sweep through the population at the cost of who knows how many lives. There was no evidence such a strategy could work, we didn't know if immunity was conferred by exposure, and the plan to shield the vulnerable was hopelessly ineffective.

They stopped tracing on March 12th, just when it was needed most. They failed to close the borders when it was possible to keep the virus out, they failed to lockdown at an early stage. They sent infected patients back to care homes without testing them. They repeatedly lied about testing numbers and capability, they awarded fat contracts to incompetent private companies, donor and acolytes right, left and centre instead of using public sector and academic groups here in the UK. And Cummings.

It has been a catalogue of disaster.

On schools, I think it is probably safe enough. My kids will go back to Years 6 and 8. You can never say it is 'safe', though. The issue for me is that it is impossible for the Govt to allow a situation where kids can't go to school but people can go to pubs and shops. Shut the schools, you have to close the pubs and shops too. They really really don't want to do that.

 

[GB72]

Even as someone with no kids who likes going to the pub, I would happily lose the pub to see kids back at school for so many reasons. In a rural community, school is often the only real opportunity for some kids to socialise and the being away from it has had some real mental impact. There is also the parents. I know some who have lost jobs due to the pandemic but cannot look for a new job because they cannot offer a start date until the their kids are back at school. There is also the parents mental health as they cannot socialise in the same way. There are also those who want to get off furlough but cannot until the schools open again.

This really does have to be the priority but parents and grandparents alike need to show sense and, if anything, over caution to minimise the impact.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well if Scotland is anything to go by watch out for fireworks in England when the Exam results get posted.

Some Scots moms and dads think it was quite OK that some teachers assessments on low attaining pupils give a 20% improvement on the 2019 figures.
Imagine the hoohaa if the Scots Government went with that.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Well if Scotland is anything to go by watch out for fireworks in England when the Exam results get posted.

Some Scots moms and dads think it was quite OK that some teachers assessments on low attaining pupils give a 20% improvement on the 2019 figures.
Imagine the hoohaa if the Scots Government went with that.

The results were in about 2 weeks ago. My understanding, I have a daughter who will be getting her results this Thursday so I have followed this quite closely, is that the schools over estimated but the exam boards reeled them back in. The results will show a 1% improvement over last year, if the report I read was correct of course. I'm not surprised that schools were over generous but equally it is good that the exam boards are there to retain the credibility of the qualification.

 

[Old Skier]

No.

But I am not the only one who does not trust the government - and the analysis and tracking of public opinion shows a lot of trust in the government handling of the pandemic was lost with the Cummings fiasco.

That there is a lack of belief or trust in the government in many seems to have produced variable acceptance, and following of, the measures we are asked to adhere to - and it gives an excuse to those who don't want to - or can't be bothered - to do as requested. And that should matter to us all.

So on schools and low risk of infection I can listen to the experts and I can believe and trust them. When a minister or Johnson then reiterates the same point I instinctively look for political motive.

Your lack of anything in this Government has nothing to do with Cummings so stop trying to pretend it does. You threw your toys out of the pram way before the Cummings fiasco. You have no interest in anything you disagree with and have no interested in what others post.

Your continued posts on the same old same old shows everyone your lack of interest in others views.