Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[Deleted member 18588]

Watching Sky Golf - Tom Lewis being interviewed in UK on practice hole ( I guess at Hanbury Manor) and I'm not really understanding how the player and interviewer can be standing together almost touching, and not wearing masks. I know in the overall 'numbers game' of infection this sort of scenario is rare - and so risk of infection one to the other and onward spread into the community is very low. Now that's my subjective risk assessment - but I am not clear as to how it in the rules of today i.e what rule allows it.

Except for the fact that Tom Lewis is playing in the USPGA Championship at Harding Park, San Francisco, USA.

 

[Deleted member 27823]

When senior Tory politicians come up to Scotland during the middle of a Covid pandemic to campaign on Scotland staying within the Union surely the SNP have a right of reply.
Especially when they say that Scotland would not have survived Covid without the 'support' of the Union.
The Chancellor did say some positive things the other day, trouble is he is a member of a party that has a long history of lying to the Scots people.
Do I trust his words...no.

All of that's fine, just not at the public health briefing. It lasts about an hour, get the important stuff across and do the campaigning afterwards.

And tory lying is not restricted to the Scots people. If some people put the same energy into countering them rather than endlessly refighting ancient historical battles Scotland and the whole of the UK might be better off.

 

[Deleted member 27823]

But they haven’t

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Phil, that's his and the nats point.

You're not helping here!

 

[Foxholer]

The furlough money is not actual money but money borrowed.
If the Scots Government had equal borrowing powers do you not think that they would do the same.
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I'd 'Like' this...

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An example of this would be of me and my friends buying you a Rolls Royce then expecting you to pay me back the purchase price at enhanced interest rates.

But the above is simply twaddle!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

But they haven’t

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Sadly no, but it was promised by Cameron, Miliband and Clegg when the Political British Unionists went into panic mode 2 days before the 2014 referendum.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Except for the fact that Tom Lewis is playing in the USPGA Championship at Harding Park, San Francisco, USA.

Well whoever it was - I thought I heard say the interview was with Lewis. My question remains the same. Nick Dougherty was doing the interview. The two were standing almost cheek by jowel.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Well whoever it was - I thought I heard say the interview was with Lewis. My question remains the same. Nick Dougherty was doing the interview. The two were standing almost cheek by jowel.

Perhaps Nick Dougherty might also be in San Francisco ?

Or maybe it was a recording of a previous interview.

 

[Billysboots]

Well whoever it was - I thought I heard say the interview was with Lewis. My question remains the same. Nick Dougherty was doing the interview. The two were standing almost cheek by jowel.

I think, now that the pandemic is almost eight months on, that we perhaps need to get used to the fact that, occasionally, people are going to stand a fraction too close to one another. It’s going to happen, intentionally or otherwise, in all walks of life and perhaps no longer warrants a mention.

 

[Ethan]

Perhaps Nick Dougherty might also be in San Francisco ?

Or maybe it was a recording of a previous interview.

I don't think any of the Sky crew are in SF. The closed doors events have a very limited media attendance and the feed is then picked up by other broadcasters.

Perhaps Nick Dougherty might also be in San Francisco ?

Or maybe it was a recording of a previous interview.

I don't think there are any Sky Sports people onsite at the PGA. Looks like it is all remote using the feed from ESPN/CBS.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I don't think any of the Sky crew are in SF. The closed doors events have a very limited media attendance and the feed is then picked up by other broadcasters.


I don't think there are any Sky Sports people onsite at the PGA. Looks like it is all remote using the feed from ESPN/CBS.

You may be right. Certainly many of the usual suspects are commentating from Sky's UK studios.

However Tom Lewis is certainly there so any interview was either on site, or pre- recorded (library) or Dougherty is in UK and the interview was downline.

 

[Ethan]

GDP drop in Q2

So who was saying the UK economy is in good shape considering?

 

[rulefan]

Hardly unexpected

 

[Ethan]

Hardly unexpected

Somewhere back in this thread, or the other Covid one, someone said that the UK economy was in good shape, or possibly better shape than other EU countries, to recover. Just wondering how this information affects their analysis.

 

[Foxholer]

Somewhere back in this thread, or the other Covid one, someone said that the UK economy was in good shape, or possibly better shape than other EU countries, to recover. Just wondering how this information affects their analysis.

Good shape...almost certainly not! 'better shape than other EU countries' ...possibly! But there WILL be challenges to be faced. I'm quite impressed at how well the government is 'thinking out of the box' with recovery initiatives like the 'Eat Out to Help Out' one. In fact, the Chancellor (and presumably the team of advisers behind him) impresses me more than the PM (and his team of advisers) does!

It's really going to be a case of how well UK economy can recover from this - though first it has to actually survive, as the situation is by no means 'under control' and won't be until a vaccine is freely available.

And 'Recovery' is going to be a global challenge, not simply a UK one! I equate it to recovery after a World War - so look at how massive the international efforts needed to be for that exercise. It'll require the same sort of efforts, though with a better starting point, as there hasn't been the destruction of buildings and infrastructure resulting from those conflicts. As a 'trading' nation, UK is likely to be, at least initially, more affected than countries with larger (agricultural) land masses imo, as feeding the home population has to be the first priority!

 

[Ethan]

Good shape...almost certainly not! 'better shape than other EU countries' ...possibly! But there WILL be challenges to be faced. I'm quite impressed at how well the government is 'thinking out of the box' with recovery initiatives like the 'Eat Out to Help Out' one. In fact, the Chancellor (and presumably the team of advisers behind him) impresses me more than the PM (and his team of advisers) does!

It's really going to be a case of how well UK economy can recover from this - though first it has to actually survive, as the situation is by no means 'under control' and won't be until a vaccine is freely available.

And 'Recovery' is going to be a global challenge, not simply a UK one! I equate it to recovery after a World War - so look at how massive the international efforts needed to be for that exercise. It'll require the same sort of efforts, though with a better starting point, as there hasn't been the destruction of buildings and infrastructure resulting from those conflicts. As a 'trading' nation, UK is likely to be, at least initially, more affected than countries with larger (agricultural) land masses imo, as feeding the home population has to be the first priority!

Sunak has had it easy so far, throwing money around like Santa Claus without ay serious scrutiny over how it will be repaid, and remaining calm and coherent. But he will have to repay it, and assuming it won'r come from growth, Brexit putting a bit of boot into that prospect, then it will have to come from taxes and public sector pay restraint. We'll see if his popularity stands after that comes.

I don't think the UK is in better shape to respond, having taken a huge dump on its trading economy with Brexit. A sane and rational Govt would have extended. Likewise, feeding the population needs people to pick fruit and veg rather than let them rot in the fields.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

In the context of a return to school I heard over the weekend epidemiologists, scientists, of a Lancet report, and other experts tell that risk of spread of the virus among and by young children is (very?) low - higher in the teens - but low in the younger age-group. And that felt positive and encouraging for a return to school in September.

And then I heard Williamson, and read Johnson, say the same - and I wondered what they were spinning or hiding. That is very unfortunate, but for me they reap the mistrust that they have sown (by such as the Cummings to Barnard Castle fiasco/deceit).

That said, as their words are consistent with those who actually know and have no reason to spin or deceive, I will try and ignore my prejudice against Williamson and Johnson and look to trust in what they say on this.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

In the context of a return to school I heard over the weekend epidemiologists, scientists, of a Lancet report, and other experts tell that risk of spread of the virus among and by young children is (very?) low - higher in the teens - but low in the younger age-group. And that felt positive and encouraging for a return to school in September.

And then I heard Williamson, and read Johnson, say the same - and I wondered what they were spinning or hiding. That is very unfortunate, but for me they reap the mistrust that they have sown (by such as the Cummings to Barnard Castle fiasco/deceit).

That said, as their words are consistent with those who actually know and have no reason to spin or deceive, I will try and ignore my prejudice against Williamson and Johnson and look to trust in what they say on this.

How do you feel about the kids going back in Scotland next week? Well before those in England. Do you trust the ministers there? Same virus, same way it spreads etc?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

How do you feel about the kids going back in Scotland next week? Well before those in England. Do you trust the ministers there? Same virus, same way it spreads etc?

Much less virulent in Scotland though.

Even allowing for that everyone is pretty apprehensive, the main worries are about grandchildren infection grandparents.
Many grandparents are like us and involved in child care in the 3pm to 6pm period.
Scottish Grannies social distancing at school gates worries me a bit.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

How do you feel about the kids going back in Scotland next week? Well before those in England. Do you trust the ministers there? Same virus, same way it spreads etc?

I trust the ministers in Scotland more than I trust Johnson and such as Williamson (or more - I would find it difficult to mistrust any bunch more than the current lot in charge in Westminster).

And as for Johnson lecturing us about morals - as in children not returning to school being 'morally indefensible' (yes I read the Sunday Times article). Well at least the irony of that coming from him made me smile.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Much less virulent in Scotland though.

Even allowing for that everyone is pretty apprehensive, the main worries are about grandchildren infection grandparents.
Many grandparents are like us and involved in child care in the 3pm to 6pm period.
Scottish Grannies social distancing at school gates worries me a bit.

I share your concerns but issues are exactly the same. It has been said before, this virus doesn't see borders, it doesn't see worthy causes. No need to make the schools decision a country v country one.