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Old Skier said:
Why was he bonkers/stupid, he knew he could function in his job even in isolation. If you read his twitter feed, even now whilst on holiday he is holding vid confs with other countries. Perhaps his fairly normal and is able to cope with modern living and can adapt. Many people are in the same boat and can operate quite adequately from home.
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Others, as silh said, stated people going on holiday abroad are bonkers/stupid and do we really expect our Government Ministers to go on holiday to a foreign country and carry out official Government business by vid etc with all the security implications that that involves?

Come on, I don’t agree with silh, but the simple fact is a Government Minister has made a decision to holiday abroad in the belief it would be fine and the situation changed once he’d gone.

Even tories deserve a holiday;)

We don’t want anyone being forced to stay away from the work place at this time if we can help it, regardless of how they cope, especially Government Ministers.
 
pauldj42 said:
Others, as silh said, stated people going on holiday abroad are bonkers/stupid and do we really expect our Government Ministers to go on holiday to a foreign country and carry out official Government business by vid etc with all the security implications that that involves?

Come on, I don’t agree with silh, but the simple fact is a Government Minister has made a decision to holiday abroad in the belief it would be fine and the situation changed once he’d gone.

Even tories deserve a holiday;)

We don’t want anyone being forced to stay away from the work place at this time if we can help it, regardless of how they cope, especially Government Ministers.
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For me the average Joe prob shouldn't be going on holiday unless they can afford the hit if they have to isolate on return

Gov ministers? They can afford it or work from home

One of my bosses lives in Ireland, Republic, he lives at his mum's in their granny annex when in UK and travels back to Ireland .. he has to isolate there .. ATM he swaps to get 2 weeks in each country

However he can fly to Belfast, cross the boarder to ROI and not have to isolate ..
 
Old Skier said:
I didn't say you did.
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You replied to my post with the opening statement 'Why was he bonkers/stupid...' Apologies for misunderstanding - but I took that as being directed to me...

And my original response was the double irony of our Transport Secretary getting caught up in the need to quarantine...not just a government minister but the minister for transport...

But - as I have said - he is probably knackered and needs a holiday - and a parliamentary recess is the only time he can have that holiday.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Naturally. He should have seen all these businesses having to make redundancies as a result of Covid coming. It is tough and you have to feel for those that have lost their job and it'll be tough for some but this is where we are.
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SILH's post was apolitical, just a link to an economic situation. There was no blame attached. Yet the usual folk are trolling it. Tedious.

Regarding BJ he seems determined to impose a no deal brexit on us by year end on top of the covid catastrophe so that will likely mean a lot more redundancies and hardship than need be. Does BJ care? Probably not. His legacy is all that matters to him. For those retired or working in secure NHS jobs seems they care neither. I'm alright Jack / Just where we are.:rolleyes:
 
maxfli65 said:
SILH's post was apolitical, just a link to an economic situation. There was no blame attached. Yet the usual folk are trolling it. Tedious.

Regarding BJ he seems determined to impose a no deal brexit on us by year end on top of the covid catastrophe so that will likely mean a lot more redundancies and hardship than need be. Does BJ care? Probably not. His legacy is all that matters to him. For those retired or working in secure NHS jobs seems they care neither. I'm alright Jack / Just where we are.:rolleyes:
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As it happens HID has come tonight with the news that her job is likely to be at risk as the independent school she works at is restructuring because of the financial hit of a lack of fees and parents not wanting to send their kids there come September so while my job may be more secure than some doesn't mean we don't face our own period of uncertainty especially if her role does go
 
maxfli65 said:
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Regarding BJ he seems determined to impose a no deal brexit on us by year end...
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While I voted Remain, I've accepted the democratic Brexit result!
And that's what BJ was emphatically elected to implement! The arrival of a Pandemic is actually an irrelevance to THAT goal!
Whether everything is 'settled' and 'in place' by 31/12 is debatable - for various reasons - but, again, that's irrelevant to the process. It's only a straw being clutched at by die-hard Remainers!
 
HomerJSimpson said:
As it happens HID has come tonight with the news that her job is likely to be at risk as the independent school she works at is restructuring because of the financial hit of a lack of fees and parents not wanting to send their kids there come September so while my job may be more secure than some doesn't mean we don't face our own period of uncertainty especially if her role does go
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Sorry to hear that. Hope it works out Ok!
Unless already 'marginal', I'd have thought most Independent School roles were relatively secure. That's certainly the case for the two I know a little about.
 
Foxholer said:
While I voted Remain, I've accepted the democratic Brexit result!
And that's what BJ was emphatically elected to implement! The arrival of a Pandemic is actually an irrelevance to THAT goal!
Whether everything is 'settled' and 'in place' by 31/12 is debatable - for various reasons - but, again, that's irrelevant to the process. It's only a straw being clutched at by die-hard Remainers!
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Twaddle;)
I think you missed the 'no deal' part. Common sense suggests an extension would have made sense given the current health crisis, that's not irrelevant. Only 5 months until year end. We all want a sensible trading arrangement with EU, not WTO.
Boris got barely any more support than May did, 43% to 42%. How the seats worked out for them both was pot luck in that Corbyn was popular in 2017 then he wasn't in 2019!
 
Foxholer said:
Sorry to hear that. Hope it works out Ok!
Unless already 'marginal', I'd have thought most Independent School roles were relatively secure. That's certainly the case for the two I know a little about.
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Not sure, certainly around here. An independent in Camberley has gone under and a few are not as strong as they were as parents are struggling to find the fees (redundancies or questioning sending their kids to a fee paying school at these times, especially as they are expected to pay up front so if the schools close or revert to online they've already paid upfront). The school HID works at is looking at their whole admin function (she works in HR/finance) but also looking at marketing and other areas. Nothing concrete yet and there is now that air of uncertainty. Do you start looking (and as SILH's post showed if nothing else its a nightmare in the admin sector) and try and find something and leave a place you love working in, sit tight and take the redundancy if the worse happens and hope you get lucky before that runs out or see if there is something in the school elsewhere (with an inevitable big drop in salary)
 
maxfli65 said:
Twaddle;)
I think you missed the 'no deal' part. Common sense suggests an extension would have made sense given the current health crisis, that's not irrelevant. Only 5 months until year end. We all want a sensible trading arrangement with EU, not WTO.
Boris got barely any more support than May did, 43% to 42%. How the seats worked out for them both was pot luck in that Corbyn was popular in 2017 then he wasn't in 2019!
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Now that really IS Twaddle! It's not 'Common Sense...It's simply an excuse to extend!
BJ was elected with the largest majority in many years! How he achieved that is irrelevant - as it's bums on (government) seats that counts!
And while a complication, it's essential that negotiations proceed as planned - and that the UK side is not distracted by CV19 - and emphasises that to the EU side, who, no doubt, would be happy to have 'negotiations' extended - and collect several billion quid in the process!
 
maxfli65 said:
Twaddle;)
I think you missed the 'no deal' part. Common sense suggests an extension would have made sense given the current health crisis, that's not irrelevant. Only 5 months until year end. We all want a sensible trading arrangement with EU, not WTO.
Boris got barely any more support than May did, 43% to 42%. How the seats worked out for them both was pot luck in that Corbyn was popular in 2017 then he wasn't in 2019!
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Do we assume you are happy to allow EU
...advance knowledge of our planned industrial policy and trading plans,
..that the Common Fisheries that allow 70% of fish to be caught by subsidised EU boats continues into the future.
..... for the ECJ to have the final say in UK legal issues.

Madness.
 
drdel said:
Do we assume you are happy to allow EU
...advance knowledge of our planned industrial policy and trading plans,
..that the Common Fisheries that allow 70% of fish to be caught by subsidised EU boats continues into the future.
..... for the ECJ to have the final say in UK legal issues.

Madness.
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The whole exercise was madness, they hold the cards, we don't. Reality sucks.
 
SocketRocket said:
And who will you blame for that. Boris?
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I don't blame anyone - and indeed that is not the point - I think the point is very clear. If you lose your job now or in the coming (many) months it might be rather difficult to get another - and perhaps not quite as 'easy' as it might have been not 6 months ago.

And with work harder to come by, many more than would otherwise have been be expected in 2020, will find themselves dependent upon the state - and that is something that the government needs to be cognisant of whatever policies it brings forward in the coming months, and potentially the coming few years.
 
maxfli65 said:
The whole exercise was madness, they hold the cards, we don't. Reality sucks.
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Who knows - the reality of life trading under WTO rules might taste very sweet indeed.

Though it is a pity that Johnson didn't actually understand fully what that implied 3 years after the referendum. I could draw from that that he didn't consider such a scenario as being very likely and so didn't bother to gen up on it for the TP leadership contest - I could but I won't - besides - WTO rules is all detail stuff and why he gathers the best people around him....which he has done...hasn't he...

Anyway - fish - and blue passports - oh...and sovereignty - hurrah! Oh I really must get over it...it's done (and it's in another thread) :rolleyes:;)
 
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