Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[Deleted member 21784]

Loads of key workers have been working stupid hours, often under increased risk of getting Covid, under a lot of pressure, making sure the rest of us can get some pasta or our bins are emptied or our kids can be at school.

The government lifted the restrictions, indeed encouraged people to start spending again.

Possibly booking a holiday isn't the daftest thing to do....

Considering I am a key worker who has been working all those hours I do understand but you can't complain if the holiday then gets cancelled or you have to isolate when you come back.

Turns out one of ours flew to ibizi Saturday . They included the island in the list so he will be off 2 weeks when comes back. I only know because 2 weeks worth of overtime came out and I txt him to see if he was ok as was all him. He only just returned last month from having covid.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Considering I am a key worker who has been working all those hours I do understand but you can't complain if the holiday then gets cancelled or you have to isolate when you come back.

Turns out one of ours flew to ibizi Saturday . They included the island in the list so he will be off 2 weeks when comes back. I only know because 2 weeks worth of overtime came out and I txt him to see if he was ok as was all him. He only just returned last month from having covid.

Year you can, I probably wouldn't be happy if I was in that situation, its just the amount of sympathy or understanding it deserves is variable.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Year you can, I probably wouldn't be happy if I was in that situation, its just the amount of sympathy or understanding it deserves is variable.

Not enough to complain to the press tho?

Your mates , parents at a push a golf forum

But the BBC?

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Probably due to the government lifting travel restrictions from 10th july, no?

Some people dont think about the consequences. They trust and/or listen to those in charge who make the decisions, others don't.

We should've been in Portugal now but we'd already made the decision not to travel back in May even if the authorities said it was safe.

Yes but the decision is still up to the individual. If people are as you describe them in bold, then the responsibility is theirs.
The government have always said if the Covid situation gets worse, they will act. You clearly think that there is a possibility that they might, so no Portugal; so do many others. Those that behave as if it's gone away for good have only themselves to blame for not reasoning things out. They took a gamble............

 

[Old Skier]

Devolved governments along with the government described as shambolic by Labour Party for its handling of the Spain restrictions.

Welsh assembly is led by Labour, brain and mouth not working together.

 

[Billysboots]

Loads of key workers have been working stupid hours, often under increased risk of getting Covid, under a lot of pressure, making sure the rest of us can get some pasta or our bins are emptied or our kids can be at school.

The government lifted the restrictions, indeed encouraged people to start spending again.

Possibly booking a holiday somewhere where they are allowed to travel to isn't the daftest thing to do

To be honest, anyone with half an ounce of common sense must have realised there was still a huge risk attached to foreign travel.

When the Spanish government opened their borders to allow holiday makers to travel, the world and his wife knew that they were taking a calculated risk in order to get the travel industry moving. We all knew the virus was still circulating, and the vast majority of people I know all said thanks, but no thanks. It’s too soon.

Governments the world over know there is a risk to easing their lockdown but know they have to balance that risk against the needs of their economies. The Spanish economy is reliant on the tourist Euro.

So even when the authorities here and abroad allowed travel to resume, most right minded people understood that by stepping on a plane they were still taking a huge risk.

As such, much as it pains me to say it, after everything we’ve been through I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone who has now got themselves in a pickle.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

To be honest, anyone with half an ounce of common sense must have realised there was still a huge risk attached to foreign travel.

...such as our Transport Minister?... ?

 

[User62651]

I think the main problem is the notice period, if they'd given 48 hours or announced before English/Welsh school holidays that would have saved a lot of hassle, allowed time to make other arrangements. Seems info was leaked and then govt reacted. Schapps caught up in it is the comedy irony bit.
Govt damned if they do, damned if they don't with this. Might save some lives, might not. All the collateral damage wrt missing 2 weeks work is the problem of the individual and their employers.
Seems only some parts of Spain getting spikes so why not just enforce quarantining for those returning from those areas only? 99% of those going to Spain from UK stay in one resort place.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

...such as our Transport Minister?... ?

He has accepted the gamble and the penalty for his decision.
You ,no doubt, will try very hard to make out it is the fault of the government's decision and not that of the holidaymakers.
This little dig being your first attempt.

 

[drdel]

Looking to take a break so I subscribe to the Gov website who frequently email travel advice. The FCO has consistently warned that overseas travel may be subject to rapid changing conditions. They have highlighted the Spanish situation for weeks.

When travel insurers are restricting cover for virus related issues anyone with an ounces of common sense should realise the risk to their wallet if not their health.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Yes but the decision is still up to the individual. If people are as you describe them in bold, then the responsibility is theirs.
The government have always said if the Covid situation gets worse, they will act. You clearly think that there is a possibility that they might, so no Portugal; so do many others. Those that behave as if it's gone away for good have only themselves to blame for not reasoning things out. They took a gamble............

My thoughts were, what if me and/or my wife gets it whilst we're away, who looks after my 13yrold daughter and 11yr old son?

Flying is bad enough, without having to wear a mask for the duration of the flight.

I totally understand people wanting to get away and have a break and I do have a little bit of sympathy for them.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Looking to take a break so I subscribe to the Gov website who frequently email travel advice. The FCO has consistently warned that overseas travel may be subject to rapid changing conditions. They have highlighted the Spanish situation for weeks.

When travel insurers are restricting cover for virus related issues anyone with an ounces of common sense should realise the risk to their wallet if not their health.

If that's the case why have the government allowed non essential flying? Surely they should be saying we strongly advise against non essential travelling.

It seems they're backing the airline business rather than public health with this.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

If that's the case why have the government allowed non essential flying? Surely they should be saying we strongly advise against non essential travelling.

It seems they're backing the airline business rather than public health with this.

To me that's exactly what they are doing

We are desperately trying to push the economy back to "normal" rather than changing to a different way of life

 

[drdel]

If that's the case why have the government allowed non essential flying? Surely they should be saying we strongly advise against non essential travelling.

It seems they're backing the airline business rather than public health with this.

Surely the Gov is giving information and based on the info from Spain they said casual travel was OK, but they also warned that because the situation is highly dynamic you should be aware that quick changes could disrupt your plans. This is exactly what happened.

The signs have been there.

 

[Hobbit]

Damned for being slow in the original lockdown, and damned for acting too quickly now.

 

[Ethan]

I think it is fairly clear that the overall tone on travel is 'Do you really think this is wise?'. The limitations on insurance coverage are also a warning sign. Govt messaging is, as we have now come to expect, a bit muddled, though.

Much as I would love to go somewhere nice overseas on hols, I don't think it will happen this year.

 

[Ethan]

Damned for being slow in the original lockdown, and damned for acting too quickly now.

Both arise from the same place, a lack of willingness to accept responsibility for imposing unpopular restrictions. And making others responsible for defining the precise details and enforcing is part of the same.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Damned for being slow in the original lockdown, and damned for acting too quickly now.

Is it that bad over the whole of Spain Bri or just in certain areas? Also, what measures have the Spanish Government brought in to effect in the last 48hrs?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Surely the Gov is giving information and based on the info from Spain they said casual travel was OK, but they also warned that because the situation is highly dynamic you should be aware that quick changes could disrupt your plans. This is exactly what happened.

The signs have been there.

I dont know are they?? I'll be honest I've not looked in depth at the foreign travel changes, only heard snippets on the news etc because right now I wont be going abroad.

If what you're saying is correct, and I'm not saying it's not, why not leave the restrictions in place if the situation is so volatile?

People cant be accused of being stupid,selfish etc if they're caught up in this situation.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I dont know are they?? I'll be honest I've not looked in depth at the foreign travel changes, only heard snippets on the news etc because right now I wont be going abroad.

If what you're saying is correct, and I'm not saying it's not, why not leave the restrictions in place if the situation is so volatile?

People cant be accused of being stupid,selfish etc if they're caught up in this situation.

Surely the Transport Minister would fully understand the difficulty the Government is in over this.