Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[Foxholer]

Its interesting isn't it, I will counter that with this proper one in a medical setup(tho) and test results :-

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971//



I appreciated it is a clinical setting and the viral hit is likely to be more regular and heavier, but certainly shines a different light on it, as it performed worse than the control arm. There other such studies..

However I think that masks do overall help and there is mounting anecdotal evidence in support of a mask(a couple such cases given in your link but plenty more around), in an indoor environment.

Its crazy to think wearing a mask outside with any element of social distancing, actually helps to stop the spread to a measurable amount(+ve or -ve).

You have drawn an incorrect/invalid conclusion! And that was because the study was 'unrelated' to the question being asked in this thread - 'which is 'Does wearing a (cloth) mask reduce transmission?'!

That study compared the efficacy of cloth masks vs medical masks! Unsurprisingly imo, medical masks were better! But, given that that study did not analyse/compare results for 'not wearing a mask', you cannot use it to compare (not) wearing a cloth mask!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The Gov is making a dogs turd of this face mask thing, where's @SwingsitlikeHogan when you need him

All they had to say was; Wear a face mask/covering when in public. And if you really don't know if you are in 'public'... wear one anyway!

Oh what a tangled face mask web they weave when first they practice to confuse...

Apologies to Scott (and not Shakespeare...)

 

[Deleted member 21258]

You have drawn an incorrect/invalid conclusion! And that was because the study was 'unrelated' to the question being asked in this thread - 'which is 'Does wearing a (cloth) mask reduce transmission?'!

That study compared the efficacy of cloth masks vs medical masks! Unsurprisingly imo, medical masks were better! But, given that that study did not analyse/compare results for 'not wearing a mask', you cannot use it to compare (not) wearing a cloth mask!

Your correct.

That will teach me to quickly scan read a link I saved but hadn't fully read

The control arm, consisted of :-

In the control arm, 170/458 (37%) used medical masks, 38/458 (8%) used cloth masks, and 245/458 (53%) used a combination of both medical and cloth masks during the study period. The remaining 1% either reported using a N95 respirator (n=3) or did not use any masks (n=2).

How about another link I saved :-

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7365162/

I haven't read this one fully but going to tonight, but IIRC it links together lots of different studies on this matter.

If you ever want a wishy washy conclusion this has it:-

Our systematic review found limited evidence that the use of masks might reduce the risk of viral respiratory infections. In the community setting, we found no evidence regarding the use of masks by the general public outside the home, but found a possible reduction on the risk of influenzalike illness when masks are used at least a few hours a day by a population in a specific area. In health care workers, the best available evidence shows no difference between N95 masks and surgical masks on the risk of confirmed influenza or other confirmed viral respiratory infections, although our results suggest a possible benefit from N95 masks for preventing influenzalike illness or other clinical respiratory infections. Surgical masks might be superior to cloth masks but data are limited to 1 trial.

No wonder the message from politicians are conflicted , the evidence is also

 

[Foxholer]

I'm going to start wearing cloth ones at work. If not for any actual/supposed protection. More to reinforce the need for social distancing and other 'best practices' - that is routinely flaunted by several team members (and, occasionally, be me!)!

I see no good reason not to! And, while I can understand the (mistaken imo) 'Freedom' attitude/argument of some US folk, it's not a valid one imo. Had it been 'sold' (that seems to be a description of how everything works in US) as something 'patriotic' (and had Trump actually used one from the start), then I believe the take-up would have been far greater!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I am all for wearing masks and not necessarily for a scientific reason. We all want things back to normal and we all want the economy to bounce back. many people, me included, feel more comfortable in shops etc if people are wearing masks. If people feel more comfortable, they are more likely to go out, more likely to spend money and so more likely that the economy will get back on track quicker. For that reason, if no other, I am more than happy to go through the minor inconvenience of putting a mask on.

Even if you do not see the scientific need, see the psychological one and do it to help the economy.

The want to be scientists all claim it won't help etc etc but even 1% reduction of risk of the virus spreading is good.

Masks will get the economy going a bit...plus the cost of them £££ vat to the economy

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

This is a statistic similar to one used in medicine called the number needed to treat (NNT). It is overwhelmingly driven by the background prevalence of the condition, so if few people have the infection, wearing a mask will not reduce the chance of them spreading it, obviously. But this sort of cheery stat is highly sensitive to that prevalence. A change in the rate of infection in the community changes this number quite significantly and fast, and usually before we know that rate has changed added to which the rising R number further multiplies it.

Wear your masks, please.

Where does one get those cool Italian cufflinks?

 

[Slab]

Where does one get those cool Italian cufflinks?

Of course it could just be the pic but i'm gonna say.... Ireland

 

[Slab]

Can it really be true. The UK Gov makes an instruction to wear masks in retail outlets and (at least) three of the biggest retailers come out and say they won’t enforce it!

It’s not tough, you have one staff member at the door, they squirt a shot of hand sanitiser into your mitt and look to see if you have a mask on, zap you with a temp gun and punter enters and shops away (the trolleys have already been cleaned after previous use) Staff are also masked up and temp checked at start of shift and at lunch break and everyone knows that the basic steps have been taken with every shopper/staff member

The alternative is that any slob is permitted entry after picking their nose in the car with no temp check, no mask on & filthy germ ridden hands, free to paw at any product they like while coughing up a lung in among Mr Kiplings offerings (even if they don’t have covid they may well spread colds/flu which won’t help someone who gets covid like symptoms and has to needlessly isolate/get tested/miss work or worse still then catches covid at the same time)

Not asking them to carry out the punishments/fines just don’t admit law breakers (every supermarket already has its own security to prevent entry) and if Costa doesn't then there's another job opportunity for SILH's son to help him out in the short term

Surely they shouldn’t be permitted to open? No compliance = no customers

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Can it really be true. The UK Gov makes an instruction to wear masks in retail outlets and (at least) three of the biggest retailers come out and say they won’t enforce it!

It’s not tough, you have one staff member at the door, they squirt a shot of hand sanitiser into your mitt and look to see if you have a mask on, zap you with a temp gun and punter enters and shops away (the trolleys have already been cleaned after previous use) Staff are also masked up and temp checked at start of shift and at lunch break and everyone knows that the basic steps have been taken with every shopper/staff member

The alternative is that any slob is permitted entry after picking their nose in the car with no temp check, no mask on & filthy germ ridden hands, free to paw at any product they like while coughing up a lung in among Mr Kiplings offerings (even if they don’t have covid they may well spread colds/flu which won’t help someone who gets covid like symptoms and has to needlessly isolate/get tested/miss work or worse still then catches covid at the same time)

Not asking them to carry out the punishments/fines just don’t admit law breakers (every supermarket already has its own security to prevent entry) and if Costa doesn't then there's another job opportunity for SILH's son to help him out in the short term

Surely they shouldn’t be permitted to open? No compliance = no customers

not surprised they wont enforce it... I know LUL staff have been told not to enforce if they dont feel comfortable .. its because the british public have some discusting people who will abuse or even attack the person.. had a few members of staff spat at by people saying their covid positive ..

they are going to relay on the power of the public to pressure people. had a few fights reported to me on trains over customers having a go at another for not wearing a mask.. seems silly but a company would rather a fight between customers than a member of staff.

my mate however is a station supervisor and he wont let people in without a mask. he can handle himself so doesnt worry about things.. rather him than me

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Even my limited french understands this..

Got to do our bit

Bonjour Rodney

 

[Beezerk]

I've been working in Scotland all week, it's quite simple, going into the supermarket, pop your mask on and do your shopping.
It isn't hard.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I've been working in Scotland all week, it's quite simple, going into the supermarket, pop your mask on and do your shopping.
It isn't hard.

Exactly. If you don't think it works just get a cheap reusable one and keep in your pocket. Just wear it so you don't look a complete tool

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I've been working in Scotland all week, it's quite simple, going into the supermarket, pop your mask on and do your shopping.
It isn't hard.

Or..........don't put your mask on and get shouted at and ridiculed by your more sensible fellow citizens.
Plus if you insist............ you don't get served.
It is quite simple.

 

[Beezerk]

Or..........don't put your mask on and get shouted at and ridiculed by your more sensible fellow citizens.
Plus if you insist............ you don't get served.
It is quite simple.

To be fair, I saw plenty of people without masks in the two supermarkets I visited. Everyone just got on with what they were doing and respected the fact those without masks had some sort of medical condition.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

So Britain's must quarantine for 14 days on return from Spain

Read this nugget on the BBC

"Lois Stothard, from South Yorkshire, told the BBC she had booked a holiday to Seville as a surprise for her boyfriend's 30th birthday - due to fly out on Sunday morning - but now feels that she cannot travel.

"I'm a keyworker - I'm a teacher - and my boyfriend has work commitments so we cannot quarantine for 14 days when we return," she said.

"We can't get any money back and to change the company want double what I've already paid in fees... I'm very disappointed and upset as we're packed and ready to go."

For one if your a teacher you can quarantine as it's the holidays now.

For two why on earth did you book a holiday right after lockdown .. just asking for trouble.

As if people actually think this thing is over .. travel was always a bad idea. It's how the thing blooming spreads

 

[Beezerk]

So Britain's must quarantine for 14 days on return from Spain

Read this nugget on the BBC

"Lois Stothard, from South Yorkshire, told the BBC she had booked a holiday to Seville as a surprise for her boyfriend's 30th birthday - due to fly out on Sunday morning - but now feels that she cannot travel.

"I'm a keyworker - I'm a teacher - and my boyfriend has work commitments so we cannot quarantine for 14 days when we return," she said.

"We can't get any money back and to change the company want double what I've already paid in fees... I'm very disappointed and upset as we're packed and ready to go."

For one if your a teacher you can quarantine as it's the holidays now.

For two why on earth did you book a holiday right after lockdown .. just asking for trouble.

As if people actually think this thing is over .. travel was always a bad idea. It's how the thing blooming spreads

Thick and oblivious to any sort of common sense. Part of the #mylifematters crew unfortunately.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Thick and oblivious to any sort of common sense. Part of the #mylifematters crew unfortunately.

We had a trip to centre parks booked from Monday onwards ..

Had taken the week off..etc

We just moved the holiday 12 months back. Not worth it

The wife could do with a holiday, the daughter would have loved it

But not risking it for the sake of a years wait

 

[Deleted member 1740]

So Britain's must quarantine for 14 days on return from Spain

Read this nugget on the BBC

"Lois Stothard, from South Yorkshire, told the BBC she had booked a holiday to Seville as a surprise for her boyfriend's 30th birthday - due to fly out on Sunday morning - but now feels that she cannot travel.

"I'm a keyworker - I'm a teacher - and my boyfriend has work commitments so we cannot quarantine for 14 days when we return," she said.

"We can't get any money back and to change the company want double what I've already paid in fees... I'm very disappointed and upset as we're packed and ready to go."

For one if your a teacher you can quarantine as it's the holidays now.

For two why on earth did you book a holiday right after lockdown .. just asking for trouble.

As if people actually think this thing is over .. travel was always a bad idea. It's how the thing blooming spreads

Probably due to the government lifting travel restrictions from 10th july, no?

Some people dont think about the consequences. They trust and/or listen to those in charge who make the decisions, others don't.

We should've been in Portugal now but we'd already made the decision not to travel back in May even if the authorities said it was safe.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

So Britain's must quarantine for 14 days on return from Spain

Read this nugget on the BBC

"Lois Stothard, from South Yorkshire, told the BBC she had booked a holiday to Seville as a surprise for her boyfriend's 30th birthday - due to fly out on Sunday morning - but now feels that she cannot travel.

"I'm a keyworker - I'm a teacher - and my boyfriend has work commitments so we cannot quarantine for 14 days when we return," she said.

"We can't get any money back and to change the company want double what I've already paid in fees... I'm very disappointed and upset as we're packed and ready to go."

For one if your a teacher you can quarantine as it's the holidays now.

For two why on earth did you book a holiday right after lockdown .. just asking for trouble.

As if people actually think this thing is over .. travel was always a bad idea. It's how the thing blooming spreads

I'm probably missing something here but where did she say she'd book this trip post-corona? If she booked it before then they've just fallen into a no man's land where they can't get a refund but can't afford to travel.

 

[Hacker Khan]

So Britain's must quarantine for 14 days on return from Spain

Read this nugget on the BBC

"Lois Stothard, from South Yorkshire, told the BBC she had booked a holiday to Seville as a surprise for her boyfriend's 30th birthday - due to fly out on Sunday morning - but now feels that she cannot travel.

"I'm a keyworker - I'm a teacher - and my boyfriend has work commitments so we cannot quarantine for 14 days when we return," she said.

"We can't get any money back and to change the company want double what I've already paid in fees... I'm very disappointed and upset as we're packed and ready to go."

For one if your a teacher you can quarantine as it's the holidays now.

For two why on earth did you book a holiday right after lockdown .. just asking for trouble.

As if people actually think this thing is over .. travel was always a bad idea. It's how the thing blooming spreads

Loads of key workers have been working stupid hours, often under increased risk of getting Covid, under a lot of pressure, making sure the rest of us can get some pasta or our bins are emptied or our kids can be at school.

The government lifted the restrictions, indeed encouraged people to start spending again.

Possibly booking a holiday somewhere where they are allowed to travel to isn't the daftest thing to do....