Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

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SocketRocket said:
So someone in the NHS makes a bad decision then we should blame Boris for it and the people that made the decision get a free pass. Come on, how can anyone be held personally responsible for all decisions made by the complete state system. Truman didnt and neither could anyone else and it's not what he meant anyhow, he as the head of Government took responsibility for decisions made by government. If a Surgeon decided to give cancer breast surgery to women that didnt have cancer should we personally blame Boris ?
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Chancellor shakes the magic money tree ... i guess we cant thank Boris for that... Well done Sunak
 
Your son has his health, a loving partner, bank of mum and dad and no doubt his old room to move back into if he doesn't find a job quickly. And he's only 28, plenty of time for several new careers. I'm sure there are many who are worse off and would swap places with him in a heartbeat.
How about the armed forces? Get paid while you train, good prospects and a pension.

But if his answer to words of encouragement is a smack in the mouth, then I'd stay out of it.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
But it's not really much of a way to live is it (and my example was £112 a week for two). And I am thinking that free food and drink will be less easy to come by in a hammered (today) Sheffield than in a prosperous (as was) London. But I agree - like you my son and his partner do not go out - and he is excellent getting free stuff through Facebook, Gumtree and other sites. Yes you can survive while you look for work - but that's about the best of it.
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Still far better than many and to be honest your son and partner have to stand on their own two feet at some point even if that is on UC. it's hard but then life can be at times. You can't expect the government of other side of the political spectrum to be able to ensure the well being of all and especially in light of a global pandemic that has made the new norm a world away from what we're use to. Sadly there are thousand out there who are also redundant and looking for work and not all will be baled out by bank of mum and dad again
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Still far better than many and to be honest your son and partner have to stand on their own two feet at some point even if that is on UC. it's hard but then life can be at times. You can't expect the government of other side of the political spectrum to be able to ensure the well being of all and especially in light of a global pandemic that has made the new norm a world away from what we're use to. Sadly there are thousand out there who are also redundant and looking for work and not all will be baled out by bank of mum and dad again
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To be clear, the goverment has decreed that silh jnr's job is illegal. And it is doing so in the mistaken belief that it can eliminate all risk ( but only from one thing).
In this instance I think the young lad (and millions of others) has every right to be p****d off.
If you were made summarily unemployed tomorrow at the whim of Matt Hancock I suspect you would be too....
 
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With no disrespect to you SILH, can you keep your personal family business in another thread or even a stand alone thread? As everytime you bring him in to a thread it is taken off topic and the same familiar faces can’t wait to jump in and tell your family how to live.
 
pauldj42 said:
With no disrespect to you SILH, can you keep your personal family business in another thread or even a stand alone thread? As everytime you bring him in to a thread it is taken off topic and the same familiar faces can’t wait to jump in and tell your family how to live.
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I simply use my son and his partner as an example - as through them I know the truth of depending upon UC - a truth that many are having to face up to...that it is no bed of roses (as it shouldn't be)
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Still far better than many and to be honest your son and partner have to stand on their own two feet at some point even if that is on UC. it's hard but then life can be at times. You can't expect the government of other side of the political spectrum to be able to ensure the well being of all and especially in light of a global pandemic that has made the new norm a world away from what we're use to. Sadly there are thousand out there who are also redundant and looking for work and not all will be baled out by bank of mum and dad again
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So what was the chancellor doing today if not accepting that it is frankly going to be difficult for those being made unemployed or newly entering the employment market to find their way (back) into work...that these newly unemployed need help. And many of those have absolutely nowhere else to go for help and support other than to the government.

Those of us fortunate to have stable ongoing employment and income stand aside and say 'sorry - your life may now be rubbish through no fault of your own - but there is nothing much more that we can do - it's up to you'. Well some might say that by I can't.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I simply use my son and his partner as an example - as through them I know the truth of depending upon UC - a truth that many are having to face up to...that it is no bed of roses (as it shouldn't be)
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Sadly, your reasons are an irrelevance to some.(y) They’d rather play the poster.
 
bobmac said:
Your son has his health, a loving partner, bank of mum and dad and no doubt his old room to move back into if he doesn't find a job quickly. And he's only 28, plenty of time for several new careers. I'm sure there are many who are worse off and would swap places with him in a heartbeat.
How about the armed forces? Get paid while you train, good prospects and a pension.

But if his answer to words of encouragement is a smack in the mouth, then I'd stay out of it.
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You are quite right - and that is exactly the point. What do we do for those who are that much worse off? Do we walk by or are we the Samaritan?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
So what was the chancellor doing today if not accepting that it is frankly going to be difficult for those being made unemployed or newly entering the employment market to find their way (back) into work...that these newly unemployed need help. And many of those have absolutely nowhere else to go for help and support other than to the government.

Those of us fortunate to have stable ongoing employment and income stand aside and say 'sorry - your life may now be rubbish through no fault of your own - but there is nothing much more that we can do - it's up to you'. Well some might say that by I can't.
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Hasn't it always been the same though. I've been made redundant twice when firms have made cut-backs. I had no choice to simply look for work and claim JSA as it was then. Out of work through no fault of my own. When I left school in 83 unemployment was running around 11.3% https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment/timeseries/mgsx/lms and so it was hard. At that time I was able to be supported by my mum and dad as you've done for your son but there was still the need to get out and find work and make a contribution to the household bills and for my own well being.

Those of us fortunate to have stable ongoing employment and income stand aside and say 'sorry - your life may now be rubbish through no fault of your own - but there is nothing much more that we can do - it's up to you'. Well some might say that by I can't. - I find this poor. Sadly there is no magic wand no matter what the Chancellor and government do. No-one knew what effect the global pandemic would have in terms of duration and severity to the economy. There are thousands in the same boat, some far worse off and no-one to support them. The cold hard fact is there is only so much support any government can give.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
So what was the chancellor doing today if not accepting that it is frankly going to be difficult for those being made unemployed or newly entering the employment market to find their way (back) into work...that these newly unemployed need help. And many of those have absolutely nowhere else to go for help and support other than to the government.

Those of us fortunate to have stable ongoing employment and income stand aside and say 'sorry - your life may now be rubbish through no fault of your own - but there is nothing much more that we can do - it's up to you'. Well some might say that by I can't.
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Many on here have expressed sympathy for your son's situation. However it does seem that he ignores advice to get out of a fickle industry. If that is his decision then he will have to take the knocks. There are jobs out there but there are too many of the 'self entitled' to whom the idea of something manual/unskilled is below their dignity. For two apparently intelligent young people to be out of work is very bad luck, bad planning or self induced.

The benefit system is a basic safety net and is not meant to be a 'carry on as before' way of life.

The Government is addressing an exceptional set of circumstances with a new virus impacting the economy: there are limits to spending and borrowing will need to be repaid and those that are capable of working should does at any task that is available.

You continually personally insult and berate the PM; laying all manner of issues at his door because he sits at the head of Cabinet. Then you congratulate the Chancellor for giving/investing taxpayers' cash and heavy borrowing, surely you should also thank the PM who has signed it off.
 
Are the new Tories turned into the new Labour? Big State and all that..
I am glad we dont have Labour in power at the moment, else it would be beaten to death by the Tories for making the state bigger
 
drdel said:
Small fact - The PM did not discharge anyone back to Care Homes that was done by medical staff at NHS Trusts - the same Trusts who were advised several years ago to hold stocks of PPE but didn't bother and instead upped the pay and levels of management.
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Well, I didn't mean that Johnson personally did a fricking ward round with the ward sister. The DH, which Johnson has overall responsibility for, pushed NHS Trusts to clear out beds, and issued the terms under which they should do so. It did not include testing.

The responsibility for pandemic planning lies with Govt, not individual NHS Trusts, but following the 2016 planning exercise, the Govt did sod all.
 
pauldj42 said:
With no disrespect to you SILH, can you keep your personal family business in another thread or even a stand alone thread? As everytime you bring him in to a thread it is taken off topic and the same familiar faces can’t wait to jump in and tell your family how to live.
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With the greatest respect Paul, if Hogie posts up any example its fair game to comment on, positively or negatively. I was blunt in my last reply to him when he did, not playing the poster, but because I felt he was not doing him any favours in the long term. It was an honest opinion, given without any malice aforethought. He replied sharply, which I had no problem with at all, and agreed with most of his reply.

However, if he continues to use personal examples he must accept that people will reply as they see fit. Some might agree with him, and in the main I do, but those who don't are fully entitled to reply as they see fit. Whether that reply is viewed as "fit" is for any other reader to decide.
 
Ethan said:
Well, I didn't mean that Johnson personally did a fricking ward round with the ward sister. The DH, which Johnson has overall responsibility for, pushed NHS Trusts to clear out beds, and issued the terms under which they should do so. It did not include testing.

The responsibility for pandemic planning lies with Govt, not individual NHS Trusts, but following the 2016 planning exercise, the Govt did sod all.
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The government may have asked the NHS to clear out beds but it was the decision of the clinicians which beds were cleared.
 
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