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rulefan said:
I wonder why the BBC made no mention of the fact that the NHS app worked perfectly well with Android devices but not Apple. And then why they didn't explain why Apple would not make easy changes enable it to work.
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Did you check how Sky News have reported it...maybe they reported it the same.

Besides. It doesn't actually matter that the App worked with Android devices. The job was to get it working on all SMART phones - and quite a few folks have Apple devices.

So as an App designed for use on ALL devices it can only be judged to be a total failure. How about just accepting that rather than try and find excuses for yet another mess.

On the techie side. Apple are known to resist giving access to their operating system for bespoke design (well they did 3 yrs ago when I worked on a project for a major government funded agency who wanted to get some user data out of a users Apple device - the app failed as Apple wouldn't give access to the data) . The government app developers would have known this at the outset - and hence so would the government.
 
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rulefan said:
I wonder why the BBC made no mention of the fact that the NHS app worked perfectly well with Android devices but not Apple. And then why they didn't explain why Apple would not make easy changes to enable it to work. Apple devices have the data needed but it seems won't make it available.
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It's a BBC conspiracy against statues of slave traders, far right hooligans, Steve Jobs and Brexit. And don't let any sane person tell you anything different.
 
The UK has been developing both approaches for the App.

They have offered to share the UK developed algorithm with Apple so that the advantages of both will be combined.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I've been wondering about that also given I have heard that in the states many major outbreaks are from meat processing plants. In fact they don;t mention any other type of manufacturing or processing facility - it's always meat processing plants
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You are right. I don't quite remember why I put food factories as that is inaccurate. It is cold places, meat processing, abbatoirs and the like.

I work about 50m from a shellfish processing factory, grim on a warm day ?. They are prime for this, it is all refrigerated, but thankfully the instances of the virus up here are small and so far it has not hit it.
 
larmen said:
What is it with food factories and the virus?

In Germany 6400 workers are in quarantine and 65% of them have been tested positive.
In the UK there are now multiple cases at food factories ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53091149 )
And I think in the US there were also massive outbreaks linked to them?

Is it because they are the only work facilities properly open and when the rest follows there will be a lot more?
Or is it the environment in the food production being 'good' for the virus to multiply?

And why suddenly now when we start easing?
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The bold bit! Lots of folk working in close proximity!
Btw. 'multiply' is not the right word - that happens within victims. 'spread' is the thing to be avoided.
 
funkycoldmedina said:
Do you have a source for that?
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I think what it actually means is that the UK has been developing its own app, and testing the generic Google/Apple developed app at the same time.

However, given that it's 6 weeks since Australia ditched their own app in favour of the Google / Apple app after hitting the iPhone issue, you have to ask why we have waited a month and a half to follow suit?
 
I must admit, this is not the Toris fault... no UK Govt has been able to implement Technology in this country. How soon, before the Tories blame Labour for the failed NHS IT system way back/last year in 2000.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/a...ter-it-detected-only-4-of-contacts-on-iphones

What i love is Yet another U-turn... after being told that the centralised model of T&T was far more superior than decentralised pushed by Apple & Google, now we go back to them..

In other news... the Govt cant decide on the colour for BoJos new plane, so use a committee..
447016-the-boeing-737-aircraft-of-brazilian-airline-gol.jpg
 
When someone persuades you that there is a better way to do something and you take on board their view its normally seen as a positive attribute and a sign of the Entente Cordiale, but not in these more enlightened times, it's now a 'Humiliating U Turn' ?
 
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rulefan said:
It was on this evenings roadshow when Raab explained why the NHS app couldn't work with Apple and went on to tell us that the Apple/Google couldn't measure proximity accurately. So they've agreed to combine the best bits
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Looking to work with Apple on our own App was always going to present a significant risk.

The coronavirus created the need; the government chose the solution - it had a choice. It chose wrong - plain and simple. It chose to develop a British 'perfect' but higher risk solution, over taking the sub-optimal (against UK requirements) off-the-shelf, low risk and proven solution. And it wasn't as if there weren't many asking why we were going to plough our own furrow rather than adopt an existing and proven solution.

No matter - as ever, Johnson's fans will simply rationalise this mess to themselves and others as being of less importance than was originally suggested, or someone else's fault. In this case we misunderstood if we thought the App was key to test and trace - it was never intended to be anything more than the icing on the cake - and of course it is Apple's fault that the App failed. Sorted.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
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Looking to work with Apple on our own App was always going to present a significant risk.

The coronavirus created the need; the government chose the solution - it had a choice. It chose wrong - plain and simple. It chose to develop a British 'perfect' but higher risk solution, over taking the sub-optimal (against UK requirements) off-the-shelf, low risk and proven solution. And it wasn't as if there weren't many asking why we were going to plough our own furrow rather than adopt an existing and proven solution.

No matter - as ever, Johnson's fans will simply rationalise this mess to themselves and others as being of less importance than was originally suggested, or someone else's fault. In this case we misunderstood if we thought the App was key to test and trace - it was never intended to be anything more than the icing on the cake - and of course it is Apple's fault that the App failed. Sorted.
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I'll think you'll find you're wrong in those assertions SiLH it's Keir Starmer's fault for not providing a robust enough opposition.
 
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