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SocketRocket said:
They had to pay of the eye watering debt inhereted from Labour.
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Surprise, surprise... Now who'd have thought ten years on we are still at that level... Perhaps they should have resisted offering tax discounts to their best buddies if we were in that much trouble... Or, perhaps the debts were down to bankers getting ahead of themselves... But, you've kinda proved my point thank you... According to those that lean to the right problems when Labour are in government always their fault... But, when team tory are in Westminster the fault lies everywhere else but the tories… One day, perhaps, the blue rosette will come with a spine of honesty/responsibility...
 
MegaSteve said:
Surprise, surprise... Now who'd have thought ten years on we are still at that level... Perhaps they should have resisted offering tax discounts to their best buddies if we were in that much trouble... Or, perhaps the debts were down to bankers getting ahead of themselves... But, you've kinda proved my point thank you... According to those that lean to the right problems when Labour are in government always their fault... But, when team tory are in Westminster the fault lies everywhere else but the tories… One day, perhaps, the blue rosette will come with a spine of honesty/responsibility...
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Brutal but fair ;)
 
Hacker Khan said:
I'm always offended.
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I don't think (m)any are blaming Johnson and his crew 100% for the excessive care home deaths. The Care Home issue has been a systematic problem for a long time that no government has properly addressed - and indeed that the public has not wished to think too much about in what we might have to pay through taxation - indeed has pushed back when the prospect of paying more for care of the elderly has been proposed. But it is a truth that the Conservatives have been in power for ten years and the situation has not improved over these ten years - rather it has been exacerbated by the austerity programme.

And yet - Johnson chooses to point the finger at 'some' care homes and by implication blame those who run and work in these care homes - without accepting as a mistake anything that the government directed homes to do (sometimes through their proxies) - especially in the early weeks of the pandemic. And the government did make decisions in respect of care homes that have clearly been mistaken, and that have contributed to (I will not say caused) the high number of deaths amongst the elderly. But rather than apologise for these mistakes - they point the finger at those who were struggling to cope. Despicable.

And of course Johnson is incapable of speaking for himself in response to the very wide criticism he is receiving. Well he wouldn't would he - so he sends out Sharma and Hancock....what a coward.

And of course those who deem it necessary to support Johnson and the government in all matters continue to do so, as they accuse others of being 'political'. What a joke - if it were in the slightest bit funny - which it isn't.
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Since when did the last 10 years become important...
1) Always say - it was the same under Labour
2) The Tory austerity was caused by the Labour
3) The prev Tory govt has nothing to do with the current Tory govt.
 
AmandaJR said:
I'll try! Boris criticised care homes. The BBC are outraged that he do such a thing. They criticised care homes...many times in the past. So to be outraged that he does the same as they have...

That's all I've got.
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Ahh! That makes sense to me now!

Though I believe the two 'criticism streams' are totally unrelated - so while valid for the Beeb to be criticising care homes for their poor service, it's ALSO valid to be taking issue with Boris for HIS criticism of them when 'he' simply dumped so many from the NHS without proper instructions/guidelines/funding for their ongoing recovery. If it turns out that the 20k deaths post treatment is anywhere the truth, then, as almost half the total figure, that's a scandalous abdication of responsibility!
 
Doon frae Troon said:
The Brazilian leader desperately contesting Johnson and Trump for the 'worst Covid leader in the world ' title.:(
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Bolsonaro is out on his own in that 'race'!
Trump is consistent - Denial, BS-ing and bullying about how great his and US's handling of it is (it has been pretty diabolical, but that's partly due to idiotic folk insisting that their 'freedoms' matter more than health!).
Bojo is, imo, doing a very reasonable job of balancing the conflicting needs of combatting the virus and resurrecting the economy - though has made some blunders along the way. And I'm not a particular fan of him.

Btw. I don't seem to have received a reply about my proposed wager about him still being PM at Christmas! Or have you simply donated the tenner to H4H directly?
 
Foxholer said:
Bolsonaro is out on his own in that 'race'!
Trump is consistent - Denial, BS-ing and bullying about how great his and US's handling of it is (it has been pretty diabolical, but that's partly due to idiotic folk insisting that their 'freedoms' matter more than health!).
Bojo is, imo, doing a very reasonable job of balancing the conflicting needs of combatting the virus and resurrecting the economy - though has made some blunders along the way. And I'm not a particular fan of him.

Btw. I don't seem to have received a reply about my proposed wager about him still being PM at Christmas! Or have you simply donated the tenner to H4H directly?
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Sorry but I don't gamble.
 
Foxholer said:
Ahh! That makes sense to me now!

Though I believe the two 'criticism streams' are totally unrelated - so while valid for the Beeb to be criticising care homes for their poor service, it's ALSO valid to be taking issue with Boris for HIS criticism of them when 'he' simply dumped so many from the NHS without proper instructions/guidelines/funding for their ongoing recovery. If it turns out that the 20k deaths post treatment is anywhere the truth, then, as almost half the total figure, that's a scandalous abdication of responsibility!
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Is it not the responsibility of the NHS for dumping old people from their care whilst still unwell.
 
I think BoJo will still be around... we would have gone past Covid and the rallying cry would be to 'get brexit done'..

My confidence in him being around is based on
1) Brexit is a poison chalice - no one wants to touch it; so like lemmings everyone will wait for the current PM to be the one to jump
2) There is no credible alternative - across the so called best of british MPs (irrespective of party)
3) BoJo will lie and cheat as long as he can be king... he does not care if brexit, covid or cummings happen - he is a survivor.
 
SocketRocket said:
Is it not the responsibility of the NHS for dumping old people from their care whilst still unwell.
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Ultimately, it's BoJo's! As per the sign on Pres. Truman's desk!
And it seems (at least to me) to have been a 'policy' decision - so political.
Oh, and the NHS is overseen/controlled by Government through Department of Health and Social Care - run by Matt Hancock.
 
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