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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Were it actually truer that we might wish it to be. Watch and listen to Cleverly last night on QT - wriggling and inventing to avoid admitting misstep or u-turn on the part of the government, and trying his utmost to save face...
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You may be happy with using 'U Turn' as an insult to the Government but I dont agree. Its become the latest buzz word to use as a blunt insult where there is a change of policy for what ever reason. I thought Cleverly spoke well and if you listened to Steve Parish he explained very clearly that the comments critisising the governments handling of developing an app for tracing were unfair.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Were it actually truer that we might wish it to be. Watch and listen to Cleverly last night on QT - wriggling and inventing to avoid admitting misstep or u-turn on the part of the government, and trying his utmost to save face...
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He was awful, fancy being made to look like a total numpty by the cutting interrogating questioning of Fiona Bruce :eek:
I can never understand why the Tories keep putting him up for QT, guaranteed car crash every time.
 
SocketRocket said:
You may be happy with using 'U Turn' as an insult to the Government but I dont agree. Its become the latest buzz word to use as a blunt insult where there is a change of policy for what ever reason. I thought Cleverly spoke well and if you listened to Steve Parish he explained very clearly that the comments critisising the governments handling of developing an app for tracing were unfair.
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It's not simply 'I' who is using it - most observers and commentators who are not government sycophants are describing it thus. However ... since the NHX-X app was the chosen way to go when there were two very clear routes - then to change the route to go the alternative is, I think most will agree, at best a significant change of direction and change of plan.

And you surely have to be joking if you think that Cleverly spoke well last night on QT. Good grief. Well?

Just listen back to his waffling around - seemingly making it up as he went along. Remind me of his answer to Fiona Bruce's question 'If you have been backing both horses then I assume you will have been having the Google/Apple-based solution development well underway and in testing - and so when will it be ready and available to download'. Please remind me of his answer to that. Because from what I was hearing he was not being 100% open and honest.

As far as Parish being less critical. Well that was his opinion - the rest took the opposite view.
 
Can I just say I like the approach the government is taking with the extra schools finding in that they are allowing schools to tailor the way they spend the money. This is a good thing as the schools will know where the money should be best spent and do not need yet more dictats on it must be spent here and there. There you go, some government praise, told you I was balanced, I have a chip on both shoulders.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Can I just say I like the approach the government is taking with the extra schools finding in that they are allowing schools to tailor the way they spend the money. This is a good thing as the schools will know where the money should be best spent and do not need yet more dictats on it must be spent here and there. There you go, some government praise, told you I was balanced, I have a chip on both shoulders.
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Reaches for a Scotch.
 
With Germany testing the 1st dose of vaccination today, have we ever heard anything back on how the Oxford trials are looking like?
Not final results, but maybe some if the scientists saying it looks promising or not.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
It's not simply 'I' who is using it - most observers and commentators who are not government sycophants are describing it thus. However ... since the NHX-X app was the chosen way to go when there were two very clear routes - then to change the route to go the alternative is, I think most will agree, at best a significant change of direction and change of plan.

And you surely have to be joking if you think that Cleverly spoke well last night on QT. Good grief. Well?

Just listen back to his waffling around - seemingly making it up as he went along. Remind me of his answer to Fiona Bruce's question 'If you have been backing both horses then I assume you will have been having the Google/Apple-based solution development well underway and in testing - and so when will it be ready and available to download'. Please remind me of his answer to that. Because from what I was hearing he was not being 100% open and honest.

As far as Parish being less critical. Well that was his opinion - the rest took the opposite view.
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Blimey, has everyone forgotten what the word "trial" means?
There was a highly technical piece of equipment needed testing to see if the concept actually worked on the ground and in the circumstances of what they would be when rolled out for full use.
For technological reasons it didn't work, - so, any reasonable responsible body,
business, or organisation would not pursue it and foist it on to the public knowing it doesn't work.
So what have the government done wrong in finding out it didn't work..?
So, tell me SILH, as "knocker in chief", if the Oxford Uni trials of the vaccine do not work, will you be rubbing your hands in glee, straining at the bit in anticipation of criticising and rubbishing this government for getting it wrong?
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Blimey, has everyone forgotten what the word "trial" means?
There was a highly technical piece of equipment needed testing to see if the concept actually worked on the ground and in the circumstances of what they would be when rolled out for full use.
For technological reasons it didn't work, - so, any reasonable responsible body,
business, or organisation would not pursue it and foist it on to the public knowing it doesn't work.
So what have the government done wrong in finding out it didn't work..?
So, tell me SILH, as "knocker in chief", if the Oxford Uni trials of the vaccine do not work, will you be rubbing your hands in glee, straining at the bit in anticipation of criticising and rubbishing this government for getting it wrong?
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From what I can recall did not a certain somebody claim that the IOW 'trials' were showcasing 'bestest in the world' technology.
Perhaps he should have taken your advice.(y)
Was it the Barnard Castle company who were developing this technology :unsure:
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Blimey, has everyone forgotten what the word "trial" means?
There was a highly technical piece of equipment needed testing to see if the concept actually worked on the ground and in the circumstances of what they would be when rolled out for full use.
For technological reasons it didn't work, - so, any reasonable responsible body,
business, or organisation would not pursue it and foist it on to the public knowing it doesn't work.
So what have the government done wrong in finding out it didn't work..?
So, tell me SILH, as "knocker in chief", if the Oxford Uni trials of the vaccine do not work, will you be rubbing your hands in glee, straining at the bit in anticipation of criticising and rubbishing this government for getting it wrong?
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They didn't need to go to the IOW to find out that the homegrown "centralised" solution was unlikely to work on iPhones. Germany changed from a centralised to a decentralised solution in late April after Apple and Google told everyone their bluetooth would only work with a decentralised solution. Australia changed tack in the same way a couple of days later.

Not sure why it took another 6 weeks to come to the same conclusion here.

In any case, if they were following a standard test life cycle (which they would have been), technical testing on iPhones would have happened long before the Field Test.
 
rudebhoy said:
In any case, if they were following a standard test life cycle (which they would have been), technical testing on iPhones would have happened long before the Field Test.
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As I understand it, the iPhone link could have worked but Apple wouldn't provide the necessary access facility.
 
rulefan said:
As I understand it, the iPhone link could have worked but Apple wouldn't provide the necessary access facility.
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From what I was told by someone who was following the situation , apple and Google said they could get it working on their app. The gov picked another one run by Cambridge analytica . Apple and Google would keep all person data seperate and not give access out to it where as the Cambridge app was a data harvest.. apple won't allow access as it would defeat the privacy standards

Underhand tactics by the gov
 
pauljames87 said:
From what I was told by someone who was following the situation , apple and Google said they could get it working on their app. The gov picked another one run by Cambridge analytica . Apple and Google would keep all person data seperate and not give access out to it where as the Cambridge app was a data harvest.. apple won't allow access as it would defeat the privacy standards

Underhand tactics by the gov
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Your prejudice is showing.

Cambridge analytica hasn't existed for two years now!
 
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pauljames87 said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53114251

Sums it up nicely with the centralised data storage .. who wants to hand over their data to this gov?
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Wait a minute and I will send you a tinfoil hat!

I am sure that the Government are just waiting to collate data on my movements.

Just like all the commercial organisations that already have it.

I'm sorry but I find such concerns pathetic when viewed in relation to the important issues of the day.
 
MetalMickie said:
Wait a minute and I will send you a tinfoil hat!

I am sure that the Government are just waiting to collate data on my movements.

Just like all the commercial organisations that already have it.

I'm sorry but I find such concerns pathetic when viewed in relation to the important issues of the day.
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No I agree with the close the app should almost be forced to be used imo for the good of the nation but whilst concerns over privacy are there with this untrustworthy gov then some people won't download .. which will make the exercise much less effective.

The apple and Google suggested app seems a happy middle ground as if somebody has and uses a smart phone they already trust apple or Google with their data so more likely to agree to it.. plus apple and Google can push them to phones if needed

I'm not concerned about my data, I'm concerned the gov is acting on their best interests or of those of their friends rather than the nation

Like the ventilator deal where a firm (can't remember name will find article in a min) could have supplied enough and was turned down in favour of Dyson .. a job for the boys who has never made a ventilator
 
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