Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Liverpoolphil said:
Ban people running and cycling ?!

If we ban everything that can be dangerous you might as well just sit in an empty room and pray
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I run and I cycle. I run either very early in the morning; or later in the evening when not many people are around. If I know I'm going to pass someone I run onto the road and make sure I'm nowhere near them.

When I cycle I'm on my road bike, so as the name suggests, I'm cycling on the road! As such nowhere near walkers on the pavement.

You cannot ban running and cycling where they could be people's only form of exercise.

However you do get runners and cyclists using paths, pavements and tracks used predominately by walkers and they are not considerate to the walkers. This is wrong in my opinion and as such perhaps those responsible for these, such as landowners, local authorities etc, could possibly put signs up saying that walkers have priority use.

It's a difficult one to resolve.
 
Slime said:
I've recently learned that it's twenty times more dangerous than motor cycling!
That was directly from a paramedic.
You haven't read my earlier post, post #14560.
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Do you have any figures to back this up?
 
NearHull said:
In the Telegraph tonight.
Almost a third of recovered Covid patients return to hospital in five months and one in eight die
Research has found a devastating long-term toll on survivors, with people developing heart problems, diabetes and chronic conditions

I thought this article was worth highlighting. I find it very worrying. (Apologies for the large font, I can’t seem to reduce it ).
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our friend’s youngest is 21. Had it in April. Seriously ill with it again. He was mega ill in April, ending up with cavatating pnuemona... let’s hope it doesn’t amount to anything ....
 
As the Telegraph article is behind a pay wall. Here is the essence of the article.

Almost a third of recovered Covid patients will end up back in hospital within five months and one in eight will die, alarming new figures have shown.

Research by Leicester University and the Office for National Statistics (ONS) found there is a devastating long-term toll on survivors of severe coronavirus, with many people developing heart problems, diabetes and chronic liver and kidney conditions.

Out of 47,780 people who were discharged from hospital in the first wave, 29.4 per cent were readmitted to hospital within 140 days, and 12.3 per cent of the total died.

The current cut-off point for recording Covid deaths is 28 days after a positive test, so it may mean thousands more people should be included in the coronavirus death statistics.
 
Hobbit said:
Maybe I’m missing something obvious but doesn’t the virus only transmit by a n other person being in close proximity? So if we remove the close proximity thing what are we left with?

With 2 million dead and rising shouldn’t this be a decider?

There’s masks and there’s lockdown. If we ignore those what we actually looking at achieving?

you guys are intelligent to know the answer
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You would have thought that in a civilised country like the UK the meaning of 'highly infectious ' would not need explanation and that care òver personal hygiene and reduced socialising would be understood.

Unfortunately we insist on denying expert opinion and react when politicians introduce common sense and reinforce the dangers.

Even this thread has shown that, rather than stick to the theme, it quickly just degenerats into ill founded slanging. Perhaps we aren't so intelligent or civilised.
 
NearHull said:
As the Telegraph article is behind a pay wall. Here is the essence of the article.

Almost a third of recovered Covid patients will end up back in hospital within five months and one in eight will die, alarming new figures have shown.

Research by Leicester University and the Office for National Statistics (ONS) found there is a devastating long-term toll on survivors of severe coronavirus, with many people developing heart problems, diabetes and chronic liver and kidney conditions.

Out of 47,780 people who were discharged from hospital in the first wave, 29.4 per cent were readmitted to hospital within 140 days, and 12.3 per cent of the total died.

The current cut-off point for recording Covid deaths is 28 days after a positive test, so it may mean thousands more people should be included in the coronavirus death statistics.
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Not looked but know we've had patients back from wards after we discharged them from ICU. Not sure how many if any have got as far as home and then back into ICU which is a good thing. Whether they've come back is a different story. One thing that is becoming more of an issue are the effects of long covid https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/long-term-effects-of-coronavirus-long-covid/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00031-X/fulltext
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Not looked but know we've had patients back from wards after we discharged them from ICU. Not sure how many if any have got as far as home and then back into ICU which is a good thing. Whether they've come back is a different story. One thing that is becoming more of an issue are the effects of long covid https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/long-term-effects-of-coronavirus-long-covid/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00031-X/fulltext
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i think my attitude up til recently has been ‘ you catch it, get poorly or not, recover or worse and then you‘re finished’. Obviously, I was wrong, the long term effects are just dawning on the nation. I fear for those who do catch the virus for their long term future, I don’t think they are going to ever feel safe.
 
NearHull said:
i think my attitude up til recently has been ‘ you catch it, get poorly or not, recover or worse and then you‘re finished’. Obviously, I was wrong, the long term effects are just dawning on the nation. I fear for those who do catch the virus for their long term future, I don’t think they are going to ever feel safe.
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As well as the (a) get it, not too bad, full recovery, (b) get it, rapid decline, die, (c) get it, hospital stay, long and unpleasant recovery, (d) get it, not too bad but doesn't go away, chronic symptoms (aka long Covid), there is another group yet to be revealed, (e) get it, seems not too bad, appears to have full recovery but X months down the line, liver/renal/heart/lung failure due to subclinical damage done by inflammatory effects.
 
Slime said:
Factual, from a paramedic.
And yes, I do have a clue.
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People fall down stairs.

Perhaps it should be compulsory to live in a bungalow.

Your paramedic friend makes a spurious claim about 20:1 but has nothing to support that.

You choose to believe him, I prefer to rely upon facts.
 
Ethan said:
As well as the (a) get it, not too bad, full recovery, (b) get it, rapid decline, die, (c) get it, hospital stay, long and unpleasant recovery, (d) get it, not too bad but doesn't go away, chronic symptoms (aka long Covid), there is another group yet to be revealed, (e) get it, seems not too bad, appears to have full recovery but X months down the line, liver/renal/heart/lung failure due to subclinical damage done by inflammatory effects.
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Group e is going to be either ignored by those who appear to get better ( whether by personal desire to ignore or by not fully appreciating the facts) or they are going to live in fear of reoccurrence/related ailments. And it’s going to be a big group. I am probably now at my lowest point by thinking about this.
 
MetalMickie said:
People fall down stairs.

Perhaps it should be compulsory to live in a bungalow.

Your paramedic friend makes a spurious claim about 20:1 but has nothing to support that.

You choose to believe him, I prefer to rely upon facts.
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Obviously a paramedic of 20+ years' experience has insufficient experience to base anything on.
If that's your best I'll leave it at that.
It's not worth falling out with anyone over differences of opinion, I certainly don't want to. (y)
 
Old Skier said:
2019 87 horses and 4 people end off

https://www.bhs.org.uk/our-charity/press-centre/news/2019/march/dead-slow-2019

I think there may have been more motorcycle accidents and deaths but I’ll let @Slime disprove it.
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I'm talking about accidents, not just deaths.
20 times more dangerous per participation, sorry if I didn't make that clear ......................... thought it would be obvious.
Recreational motorcycling, I believe, is also ruled out during this lockdown, horse riding isn't.
 
MetalMickie said:
You still have not shown where the great danger is in recreational horse riding.

In the absence of an answer I will have to assume that you have nothing to support your claim.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/03_march/23/riding.shtml

"And Inside Out reveals a report by a leading spinal consultant which concluded that riding a horse is 20 times more dangerous than riding a motorbike. While you can expect to have a serious motorbike accident once in every 7,000 hours, a serious riding accident happens once in every 350 hours."

https://www.esi-education.com/rural-weekly-horses-dangerous-riding-motorbikes-andrew-mclean/

RIDING horses is risky business.

According to new research, you are 20 times more likely to be injured doing an equestrian-based activity than you are riding a motorbike.
 
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Blue in Munich said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/03_march/23/riding.shtml

"And Inside Out reveals a report by a leading spinal consultant which concluded that riding a horse is 20 times more dangerous than riding a motorbike. While you can expect to have a serious motorbike accident once in every 7,000 hours, a serious riding accident happens once in every 350 hours."

https://www.esi-education.com/rural-weekly-horses-dangerous-riding-motorbikes-andrew-mclean/

RIDING horses is risky business.

According to new research, you are 20 times more likely to be injured doing an equestrian-based activity than you are riding a motorbike.
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Thanks mate, I knew it was there somewhere, just couldn't find it. (y)
 
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