Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Got a message from work. Full escalation and even the main unit is a hot zone now so I am assuming we went from the 9 or so on Christmas Eve to many, many more. Three hot zones and the cold zone for non-covid patients no in part of theatres. Think it is going to be madness when I go back on the 4th. If we are getting overrun I can't see why we don't go for a full lockdown. It is clearly running wild and hospitals like mine are buckling already
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Got a message from work. Full escalation and even the main unit is a hot zone now so I am assuming we went from the 9 or so on Christmas Eve to many, many more. Three hot zones and the cold zone for non-covid patients no in part of theatres. Think it is going to be madness when I go back on the 4th. If we are getting overrun I can't see why we don't go for a full lockdown. It is clearly running wild and hospitals like mine are buckling already
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Homer , myself I have been educated in protecting the NHS. It clearly is not being protected. Over the last twos month I feel those that are running this show have lost the plot. A full lockdown til the end of January is a minimum for me.
 
Tashyboy said:
Homer , myself I have been educated in protecting the NHS. It clearly is not being protected. Over the last twos month I feel those that are running this show have lost the plot. A full lockdown til the end of January is a minimum for me.
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Without defending the government or getting political, is it those running the show or those that aren't following the rules that have lost the plot? In my view the problem is that we are getting advice and guidelines rather than rules/laws. We're in Tier 4 and have had a post on my local Facebook community group asking about whether an outside attraction (seal spotting) 50 miles away is open for visitors despite the rules stating to stay local, and there being at least half a dozen other outside nature attractions within a 15 mile radius.

Common sense isn't as common as it should be and by its very definition a fraction under 50% of the population are of below average intelligence. When you add in those that don't give a damn about the guidance you can easily understand why we're still seeing an increase in cases.
 
Definitely both, the problem for me, the government have given an inch and folk are taking more than a mile. Like Ave said before,during the first lockdown we were all in it together. Don’t seem like we are now.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Without defending the government or getting political, is it those running the show or those that aren't following the rules that have lost the plot? In my view the problem is that we are getting advice and guidelines rather than rules/laws. We're in Tier 4 and have had a post on my local Facebook community group asking about whether an outside attraction (seal spotting) 50 miles away is open for visitors despite the rules stating to stay local, and there being at least half a dozen other outside nature attractions within a 15 mile radius.

Common sense isn't as common as it should be and by its very definition a fraction under 50% of the population are of below average intelligence. When you add in those that don't give a damn about the guidance you can easily understand why we're still seeing an increase in cases.
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Rules/laws/guidelines whatever you wish to call them have been reasonable straight forward to follow. Unless you are one of the people who want to look for every loophole possible to do something you know you probably shouldn't.
Or you are just an idiot.

I've said from the very start that you can't legislate against idiots and that people need to take personal responsibility for how they deal with this pandemic. Unfortunately the number of people not willing to do so or sit in the former camp is significant.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Got a message from work. Full escalation and even the main unit is a hot zone now so I am assuming we went from the 9 or so on Christmas Eve to many, many more. Three hot zones and the cold zone for non-covid patients no in part of theatres. Think it is going to be madness when I go back on the 4th. If we are getting overrun I can't see why we don't go for a full lockdown. It is clearly running wild and hospitals like mine are buckling already
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Why did we build the Nightingales and not use them? Why are they not sending all the COVID patients to them and sparing the hospitals from the pressure of these extra patients?
 
Fade and Die said:
Why did we build the Nightingales and not use them? Why are they not sending all the COVID patients to them and sparing the hospitals from the pressure of these extra patients?
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Staff. That's the simple answer. We could easily send all Covid patients to the Nightingale hospitals for treatment but if we sent enough staff in to those hospitals to run them we would leave regular hospitals desperately short of staff to deal with everything else. As to why did we build them without the staff to run them, the answer to that would almost certainly break the forum "No Politics" rule.
 
Fade and Die said:
Why did we build the Nightingales and not use them? Why are they not sending all the COVID patients to them and sparing the hospitals from the pressure of these extra patients?
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Nightingale has closed and there wouldn’t be enough staff to man it anyway

Overall you look at the graphs for the cases and in most areas they are levelling out or reducing slightly apart from London and SE/east England - those areas went to Tier 4 10 days ago so that should start to reduce over the next week - just like when areas in the North went into Tier 3

I know it’s hard not to react to the numbers but I can see tomorrow the rest of the country going into tier 4 but I can’t see a full lockdown which is pretty much the next level - they have to put trust into the tier system as well as the vaccine - the impact of a full lockdown could be as damaging as the virus itself
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Nightingale has closed and there wouldn’t be enough staff to man it anyway

Overall you look at the graphs for the cases and in most areas they are levelling out or reducing slightly apart from London and SE/east England - those areas went to Tier 4 10 days ago so that should start to reduce over the next week - just like when areas in the North went into Tier 3

I know it’s hard not to react to the numbers but I can see tomorrow the rest of the country going into tier 4 but I can’t see a full lockdown which is pretty much the next level - they have to put trust into the tier system as well as the vaccine - the impact of a full lockdown could be as damaging as the virus itself
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Not closed, on standby apparently....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55469188
 
Fade and Die said:
Then get them, through the private/agency sector backed by some from the Hospital. But stop sending the COVID patients to the hospitals, protect them and the other patients. Otherwise what was the point of building the Nightingales?
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Publicity and propoganda, you can’t get them from private/agency etc when there isn’t enough trained staff out there.
 
Fade and Die said:
Then get them, through the private/agency sector backed by some from the Hospital. But stop sending the COVID patients to the hospitals, protect them and the other patients. Otherwise what was the point of building the Nightingales?
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I think the idea was originally for the Nightingales to be a step down, for convalescent patients who had come through the worst but were not yet ready to go home. They are not equipped to be ICUs.
 
Ethan said:
I think the idea was originally for the Nightingales to be a step down, for convalescent patients who had come through the worst but were not yet ready to go home. They are not equipped to be ICUs.
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Thanks, that answers one of my questions as to why we didn't send all Covid patients to the Nightingale's to leave regular hospitals open to deal with the normal issues. Staffing issues aside.
 
Fade and Die said:
Then get them, through the private/agency sector backed by some from the Hospital. But stop sending the COVID patients to the hospitals, protect them and the other patients. Otherwise what was the point of building the Nightingales?
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Get them from where ?
 
This was in today’s Telegraph, not sure if it’s true or just media lies.

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Ethan said:
I think the idea was originally for the Nightingales to be a step down, for convalescent patients who had come through the worst but were not yet ready to go home. They are not equipped to be ICUs.
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How much to equip each Nightingale with an icu, Say 30 beds? 10-15Mil? We have spent so much we might as well go the extra mile and provide the sort of hospitals we need to stop filling the other hospitals with COVID patients. I understand staffing is a problem especially ICU nurses but we have to recruit more from all over the world. I know we do that already (my wife has been in ICU on 3 separate occasions over the last 3 months) but we have to step it up.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Nightingale has closed and there wouldn’t be enough staff to man it anyway

Overall you look at the graphs for the cases and in most areas they are levelling out or reducing slightly apart from London and SE/east England - those areas went to Tier 4 10 days ago so that should start to reduce over the next week - just like when areas in the North went into Tier 3

I know it’s hard not to react to the numbers but I can see tomorrow the rest of the country going into tier 4 but I can’t see a full lockdown which is pretty much the next level - they have to put trust into the tier system as well as the vaccine - the impact of a full lockdown could be as damaging as the virus itself
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Also hoping the effect starts to come through. Think you were referring to England only, but a record was also set north of the border.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55474222
 
drive4show said:
Unfortunately it doesn't really work like that. This was a school lunch meal and the staff were required to be there to supervise the pupils. Many (including my G/F) spoke out against it but at the end of the day they are paid to do a job.
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I sincerely hope that this head teacher is held to account. I am absolutely dumbfounded that anyone in such a position of responsibility and trust can be so staggeringly stupid as to put so many people at risk.

Of all the acts of crass stupidity I have read about in the last ten months, this is by some distance the worst.
 
Fade and Die said:
How much to equip each Nightingale with an icu, Say 30 beds? 10-15Mil? We have spent so much we might as well go the extra mile and provide the sort of hospitals we need to stop filling the other hospitals with COVID patients. I understand staffing is a problem especially ICU nurses but we have to recruit more from all over the world. I know we do that already (my wife has been in ICU on 3 separate occasions over the last 3 months) but we have to step it up.
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We're getting dangerously close to a political/Brexit discussion here with regards to using overseas staff. We need foreign nurses and doctors for the NHS to function. Even as someone that didn't support Brexit I'm concerned with the situation where we are taking trained medical staff from other countries. We need to be paying suitable compensation to those countries for the education and training that those staff are receiving.
 
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