Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Backache]

I think the idea was originally for the Nightingales to be a step down, for convalescent patients who had come through the worst but were not yet ready to go home. They are not equipped to be ICUs.

They have the stuff to do ITU there but they don't have the staff.

 

[Fade and Die]

We're getting dangerously close to a political/Brexit discussion here with regards to using overseas staff. We need foreign nurses and doctors for the NHS to function. Even as someone that didn't support Brexit I'm concerned with the situation where we are taking trained medical staff from other countries. We need to be paying suitable compensation to those countries for the education and training that those staff are receiving.

I don’t disagree with anything you have posted but the facts are that we can attract the staff and we should.

 

[Backache]

I don’t disagree with anything you have posted but the facts are that we can attract the staff and we should.

The whole world wants ITU staff just now, recruitment from elsewhere is not an option whether anyone considers it politically desireable or otherwise..

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I don’t disagree with anything you have posted but the facts are that we can attract the staff and we should.

You have to remember that as off Thursday we’ve made it more difficult in the short term to attract staff from the EU.
Those already in employment have their professional qualifications accepted.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I don’t disagree with anything you have posted but the facts are that we can attract the staff and we should.

Absolutely we should. As long as we are prepared to pay suitable recompense to the countries we are attracting them from. Which would include the costs of training for those staff.

 

[Marcg868]

Well after 10 months of dealing with my first Covid patient I finally got it on the 25th. I do my lateral flow test every Monday and Friday and my LF came back positive Christmas Day morning, went to the staff testing pod for a pcr test on Boxing Day and go the telephone call to say it’s positive.
Symptoms haven’t been too bad slight temperature of 38.5-39.1, a very small cough, joint pain is a killer though and feeling really breathless walking upstairs.
Luckily my sense of taste and smell are intact.
Glad to say I’m the last one on nights to get it ?.
Other half is also isolating as she is a manager of a care home. She had her first vaccine last Wednesday.

 

[Fade and Die]

You have to remember that as off Thursday we’ve made it more difficult in the short term to attract staff from the EU.
Those already in employment have their professional qualifications accepted.

That’s true but surprisingly EU nationals only account for 5.5% of NHS staff.

 

[larmen]

Some German minister, and the president elect of the US, both talk about a wartime law compelling industry to pull together and produce a lot more vaccine.

Maybe one massive global push could take us to the ‘finish line’?
There must be dozens of companies who could produce the stuff under license? Glaxo, Bayer, ...

And I know people on a golf forum don’t want to hear it, but maybe Pfizer could prioritise the vaccine over Viagra for a while ;-)

 

[larmen]

Yes, it probably will. The Pfizer vacc comes in vials and 5 doses can be drawn from one vial (in fact up to 7 could, but there is an allowance for wastage) so if that vial is not fully used, whatever is left has to be junked. I don't know what the final AZ product looks like, may be packed in individual doses.

This German article says the UK has allowed for up to 6 injections being pulled out of a vile https://m.bild.de/politik/inland/po...0000-impf-dosen-mehr-74672218.bildMobile.html

They ‘demand’ the Germans (probably mean EU) to do the same, stretching the availability by 20%

(Bild is the German version of the sun and therefore they ‘demand’ or ‘mean’ a lot)

 

[PJ87]

Just got a ping from the guardian on my phone

Oxford vaccine approved by the UK

Excellent news

 

[backwoodsman]

Some German minister, and the president elect of the US, both talk about a wartime law compelling industry to pull together and produce a lot more vaccine.

Maybe one massive global push could take us to the ‘finish line’?
There must be dozens of companies who could produce the stuff under license? Glaxo, Bayer, ...

And I know people on a golf forum don’t want to hear it, but maybe Pfizer could prioritise the vaccine over Viagra for a while ;-)

Perhaps they already are? Do you know they aren't ??

 

[hovis]

Err....i resent that comment. It isn't my data, as shown in earlier posts, it's published by the NHS. Anyway, who are you to tell anyone not to repeat such data?

Perhaps he should send a strongly worded email to these too
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metr...ions-died-of-covid-in-hospitals-13815524/amp/

 

[bobmac]

Just got a ping from the guardian on my phone

Oxford vaccine approved by the UK

Excellent news

World changing.
A cheap safe vaccine that can be kept in a fridge so can reach even the poorest countries worldwide.
Vaccinations to increase in the UK up to 1 million per week giving the NHS a moral boost, knowing there's light in their tunnel.
Well done to the scientists who made this happen so quickly.
Brilliant

 

[Ethan]

Some German minister, and the president elect of the US, both talk about a wartime law compelling industry to pull together and produce a lot more vaccine.

Maybe one massive global push could take us to the ‘finish line’?
There must be dozens of companies who could produce the stuff under license? Glaxo, Bayer, ...

And I know people on a golf forum don’t want to hear it, but maybe Pfizer could prioritise the vaccine over Viagra for a while ;-)

Viagra (the Pfizer riser) has been generic for some time. Pfizer has moved well past it long ago.

I thunk there is an unprecedented manufacturing effort ongoing right now. Not sure that Govt pressure would help matters.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Also looks like a big push for one dose vaccine to start with :-

Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine authorised by UK medicines regulator - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Has anyone seen the oxford graph, that shows infections in both groups over time(ie, after first dose applied). Off to find the data, will be intersting to see if the graph looks like pzifer one

 

[Ethan]

Also looks like a big push for one dose vaccine to start with :-

Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine authorised by UK medicines regulator - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Has anyone seen the oxford graph, that shows infections in both groups over time(ie, after first dose applied). Off to find the data, will be intersting to see if the graph looks like pzifer one

It sounds like the approval will be for the full dose-full dose regimen, but with up to 12 weeks gap, to allow as many as possible to get their first vaccine asap. This is, in my opinion, an interesting approach and not unreasonable. The low dose-full dose regimen which appears to have higher efficacy was not considered to have enough data for approval, but there isn't data on the efficacy of a 12 week gap either. Logic suggests it is reasonable, but so too does logic suggest the low-high regimen is more effective and arguably preferable. Personally, I would prefer the Pfizer, but will accept the Oxford.

 

[anotherdouble]

Listening to Matt Hancock on radio this morning announcing Oxford vaccine go ahead. He was then questioned about nightingales and their decommissioning. He said he was surprised to read this as it was not true. He went on to say that they are in a state of readiness and in his words, but as of yet they are not needed.

 

[Tashyboy]

Listening to Matt Hancock on radio this morning announcing Oxford vaccine go ahead. He was then questioned about nightingales and their decommissioning. He said he was surprised to read this as it was not true. He went on to say that they are in a state of readiness and in his words, but as of yet they are not needed.

Those living in Essex may well disagree

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

How much to equip each Nightingale with an icu, Say 30 beds? 10-15Mil? We have spent so much we might as well go the extra mile and provide the sort of hospitals we need to stop filling the other hospitals with COVID patients. I understand staffing is a problem especially ICU nurses but we have to recruit more from all over the world. I know we do that already (my wife has been in ICU on 3 separate occasions over the last 3 months) but we have to step it up.

If we recruit from other countries who is going to look after the patients in those countries? What makes us more deserving than them?

 

[anotherdouble]

I know Tash. I saw on telly last night upwards of 20 ambulance parked waiting to off load for hours. That then takes the crews off the road.