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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

MegaSteve said:
The issues are not when he's out on his round... But as I noted, in my post, within the sorting office where distancing measures and super high volumes are creating a bottleneck and therefore delays in delivery...
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I appreicate this.. my dad litterally retired last week from the sorting office local to me.. as I said in my post I nobody round this way seem to be complaining about the time for deliveries to arrive for post their grateful to the post service for still being out.
 
pauljames87 said:
I appreicate this.. my dad litterally retired last week from the sorting office local to me.. as I said in my post I nobody round this way seem to be complaining about the time for deliveries to arrive for post their grateful to the post service for still being out.
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Apologies, I thought I had clicked on hovis's post to respond to... Need to put my specs ? on ?...
 
From the New York Post

An evangelical pastor was vowing to keep preaching “unless I’m in jail or the hospital.”

In his last known in-person service on March 22, Bishop Gerald O. Glenn got his congregation at Richmond’s New Deliverance Evangelistic Church to stand to prove how many were there despite warnings against gatherings of more than 10 people. “I firmly believe that God is larger than this dreaded virus. You can quote me on that,” he said, repeating it a second time to claps, saying that “people are healed” in his church.

And then he died of it. Not quite sure what to say about this ....
 
Pathetic Shark said:
From the New York Post

An evangelical pastor was vowing to keep preaching “unless I’m in jail or the hospital.”

In his last known in-person service on March 22, Bishop Gerald O. Glenn got his congregation at Richmond’s New Deliverance Evangelistic Church to stand to prove how many were there despite warnings against gatherings of more than 10 people. “I firmly believe that God is larger than this dreaded virus. You can quote me on that,” he said, repeating it a second time to claps, saying that “people are healed” in his church.

And then he died of it. Not quite sure what to say about this ....
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The Lord moves in mysterious ways?
 
Pathetic Shark said:
From the New York Post

An evangelical pastor was vowing to keep preaching “unless I’m in jail or the hospital.”

In his last known in-person service on March 22, Bishop Gerald O. Glenn got his congregation at Richmond’s New Deliverance Evangelistic Church to stand to prove how many were there despite warnings against gatherings of more than 10 people. “I firmly believe that God is larger than this dreaded virus. You can quote me on that,” he said, repeating it a second time to claps, saying that “people are healed” in his church.

And then he died of it. Not quite sure what to say about this ....
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From where I stand in the scheme of beliefs, this is very sad - and I'm feeling he was misguided about what his God was actually capable of and what his God wasn't. Maybe he expected himself and his congregation to suddenly - out of nowhere - find themselves wearing full NBC suits...Well I don't know about him, but mine doesn't work that way.

BTW. If you don't like, or if you disagree, with what I have posted then you can just ignore my post and instead respond to what @PS posted. I won't be upset - but please don't let this degenerate into slagging off religion - those of faith are not all the same, and do not all believe the same.
 
the media are now accusing the government of under reporting the figures by 10 to 15% as their numbers are not including deaths outside of hospitals. am I missing something? evey day I watch the government briefing and he says "now onto the next slide deaths inside our hospitals are". unless I am looking at this incorrectly the media are out of order on this one. this information for me has been clear from tee start. I've definitely heard the government say on a few occasions that the figures don't include deaths outside of hospitals!!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
From where I stand in the scheme of beliefs, this is very sad - and I'm feeling he was misguided about what his God was actually capable of and what his God wasn't. Maybe he expected himself and his congregation to suddenly - out of nowhere - find themselves wearing full NBC suits...Well I don't know about him, but mine doesn't work that way.

BTW. If you don't like, or if you disagree, with what I have posted then you can just ignore my post and instead respond to what @PS posted. I won't be upset - but please don't let this degenerate into slagging off religion - those of faith are not all the same, and do not all believe the same.
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His god is capable of anything - goes with the territory of omnipotence. But if his god does exist he chose to let him die for trying to do his work. Lovely.
 
Kellfire said:
His god is capable of anything - goes with the territory of omnipotence. But if his god does exist he chose to let him die for trying to do his work. Lovely.
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If that is what he believes - and maybe it is. As it happens mine isn't capable of everything...not directly anyway in most instances and not at all in some - but there you go. That's just how beliefs and faith can differ.
 
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hovis said:
the media are now accusing the government of under reporting the figures by 10 to 15% as their numbers are not including deaths outside of hospitals. am I missing something? evey day I watch the government briefing and he says "now onto the next slide deaths inside our hospitals are". unless I am looking at this incorrectly the media are out of order on this one. this information for me has been clear from tee start. I've definitely heard the government say on a few occasions that the figures don't include deaths outside of hospitals!!
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I can understand why the deaths in such as care homes are not included in figures that are being published and used in the briefings as a measure to convey the scale and spread of the disease in the open public environment. Such as care homes and prisons are closed environments and so infections and deaths in each is specific and contained within any single environment and so not representative of spread in the wider population. Including figures from such closed environments would I think 'corrupt' the figures when they are used as they are.

That said I think the numbers should be provided at the same time as those for the general (open) public - but separated out from the total.

Apparently CQC have to be advised of any and every death in a care home asap after it occurs and so the figures should be easily compiled and made available.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I can understand why the deaths in such as care homes are not included in figures that are being published and used in the briefings as a measure to convey the scale and spread of the disease in the open public environment. Such as care homes and prisons are closed environments and so infections and deaths in each is specific and contained within any single environment and so not representative of spread in the wider population. Including figures from such closed environments would I think 'corrupt' the figures when they are used as they are.

That said I think the numbers should be provided at the same time as those for the general (open) public - but separated out from the total.

Apparently CQC have to be advised of any and every death in a care home asap after it occurs and so the figures should be easily compiled and made available.
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Not sure about the UK but in Spain and Italy, if a diagnosis hasn't been made pre-death they're not risking autopsies.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I can understand why the deaths in such as care homes are not included in figures that are being published and used in the briefings as a measure to convey the scale and spread of the disease in the open public environment. Such as care homes and prisons are closed environments and so infections and deaths in each is specific and contained within any single environment and so not representative of spread in the wider population. Including figures from such closed environments would I think 'corrupt' the figures when they are used as they are.

That said I think the numbers should be provided at the same time as those for the general (open) public - but separated out from the total.

Apparently CQC have to be advised of any and every death in a care home asap after it occurs and so the figures should be easily compiled and made available.
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The ONS do publish the figures and are available to everyone
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
If that is what he believes - and maybe it is. As it happens mine isn't capable of everything...not directly anyway in most instances and not at all in some - but there you go. That's just how beliefs and faith can differ.
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Look, you can't really have a God who can or cannot, or will or will not behave in accordance with your values or beliefs. That's just crazy mixed up thinking.
And, just a mite convenient, of course.
God is either omnipotent, the creator of everything, -or there isn't a God.
You are having your cake , and eating it.
 
Does anyone have the current utilisation of the pop up Nightingale Hospitals ? Are they making a difference yet ?

I'm a bit irritated that the government ministers are getting the blame for virtually everything especially those things outwith their direct control.

What about the accountability of the people managing the NHS Trusts ? Was it the Governments duty to equip Care Homes with PPE ? What about the Care Home owners responsibility ?

There is a lot of analysis and criticism being done with the benefit of hindsight, but as a former employee in the airport sector, I like to offer 2 real life analogies ;

Should an airport spend a lot of money stockpiling snow clearing equipment which will sit idle for most of time, not knowing if and when it may be used, at the expense of other capital equipment and facilities ? I can tell you the airlines and passengers want the other facilities now, but will complain like crazy if the snow falls and can't be cleared.

The pilot that landed the aircraft in the Hudson River was criticised after the event when the 'experts data' showed that he could have returned the aircraft to an airport within albeit fine margins. It was only when the 'experts' in the aftermath inquiry / investigation mocked up the situation in a simulator was it revealed that making decisions in real time is a whole lot different to carrying out perfected analysis routines. None of the pilots in the simulated real time scenario could get the aircraft back to an airport. The pilot, Chesley Sullenberger saved many lives, but there were people out there, 'experts' after the event, calling for his head.

Let's hope we don't get into a similar situation here, I don't believe anyone in government or authority isn't doing their best to sort this out, and people with choices to make are doing what they think is right, right now.
 
woofers said:
Does anyone have the current utilisation of the pop up Nightingale Hospitals ? Are they making a difference yet ?

I'm a bit irritated that the government ministers are getting the blame for virtually everything especially those things outwith their direct control.

What about the accountability of the people managing the NHS Trusts ? Was it the Governments duty to equip Care Homes with PPE ? What about the Care Home owners responsibility ?

There is a lot of analysis and criticism being done with the benefit of hindsight, but as a former employee in the airport sector, I like to offer 2 real life analogies ;

Should an airport spend a lot of money stockpiling snow clearing equipment which will sit idle for most of time, not knowing if and when it may be used, at the expense of other capital equipment and facilities ? I can tell you the airlines and passengers want the other facilities now, but will complain like crazy if the snow falls and can't be cleared.

The pilot that landed the aircraft in the Hudson River was criticised after the event when the 'experts data' showed that he could have returned the aircraft to an airport within albeit fine margins. It was only when the 'experts' in the aftermath inquiry / investigation mocked up the situation in a simulator was it revealed that making decisions in real time is a whole lot different to carrying out perfected analysis routines. None of the pilots in the simulated real time scenario could get the aircraft back to an airport. The pilot, Chesley Sullenberger saved many lives, but there were people out there, 'experts' after the event, calling for his head.

Let's hope we don't get into a similar situation here, I don't believe anyone in government or authority isn't doing their best to sort this out, and people with choices to make are doing what they think is right, right now.
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Agree ref the hindsight high-horse folks.

Not helping
 
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