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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

SocketRocket said:
My main point wasnt really about releasing critically ill people it was more about the ethics of lifting restrictions so the virus would take it's natural (herd) course to help the ecconomy and minimise poverty verses protecting the vulnerable in society.

Thanks, shes slowly getting better.
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Ethics are laudable and morally right but often not affordable in the real. world
 
HappyHacker1 said:
There isn't an "acceptable number" there will just be a number that will die, whether we like it or not as has already happened.

For the record, I haven't earned a single penny in almost 4 weeks now, not likely to for a number of weeks, possibly months, am I an acceptable casualty if I die through hunger, suicide, or some other issue brought on by the restrictions ?
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I am not God so cant make decisions like that. I just want us to protect and look after each other. If we become a society that decides to throw any vunerable people (including you) under a bus then I would rather not be around to be part of it. All we can humanly do is look after each other to the best of our ability.
 
SocketRocket said:
My main point wasnt really about releasing critically ill people it was more about the ethics of lifting restrictions so the virus would take it's natural (herd) course to help the ecconomy and minimise poverty verses protecting the vulnerable in society.
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Is there not a 3rd choice if the lockdown is perceived by some to be lifted early, a personal decision to self-isolate? Why can't an at risk individual decide to moderate their lifestyle by personal choice whilst waiting on a vaccine to come through?

Is this not the best of a bad choice for all concerned?
 
SocketRocket said:
My main point wasnt really about releasing critically ill people it was more about the ethics of lifting restrictions so the virus would take it's natural (herd) course to help the ecconomy and minimise poverty verses protecting the vulnerable in society...
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And there was nothing about that in your post that I replied to!

Btw. I'd agree with you re the 'herd immunity' approach (alone) being wrong!
 
drdel said:
Ethics are laudable and morally right but often not affordable in the real. world
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You are referring to a guide for the last resort. These decisions have to be made in times where the casualties outnumber the resources, hopefully we will not reach that critical point. If we use herd mentality we will without doubt.
 
Hobbit said:
Is there not a 3rd choice if the lockdown is perceived by some to be lifted early, a personal decision to self-isolate? Why can't an at risk individual decide to moderate their lifestyle by personal choice whilst waiting on a vaccine to come through?

Is this not the best of a bad choice for all concerned?
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IMO lifting restrictions early will have unpredictable results that err on the side of a poor outcome. I think I read of the possibility/probability of an 80% infection rate. It would probably be better to wait for infection rates to fall considerably then selectively ease restrictions through selected groups but not voluntarily.
 
IainP said:
As of today Belgium are pretty much even with Italy.
Still the BBC don't seem to be reporting on this unless I keep missing it. Some insights may be informative.
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I’ve seen some videos of unrest in Belgium, not sure how kosha, but there does seem to be a gagging of information coming out of there.

I’ve seen police cars patrolling the streets being attacked by migrants, to such a degree that the police have to abandon their vehicles!

Can’t verify it’s authenticity, but looked recent.
 
Mudball said:
I am assuming Clever & Entitled Gove paid for his daughter’s test.. hopefully no abuse of power to get her to jump the queue

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...test-daughter-with-covid-19-symptoms-11972552
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If you'd read the link you posted you'd have seen this; it transpired that England's chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, had advised that Mr Gove’s daughter should be tested for the virus.

Given that we see enough complaints posted on this thread about not following the advice from the scientists, are we seriously going to suggest an abuse of power when their advice is followed?
 
HappyHacker1 said:
It's my belief that the long term effect of lockdown can be far more fatal in the long run than that of the virus itself.
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That will never be known- because we haven't had the scenario where there was no lockdown, and thus no unchecked rampaging of this virus through our country.
The result of that is what your "long term effect of lockdown...etc has to be compared with. And, as I say, that will never be possible to do.
 
Just seen some posts people are sending to an old school friend on Facebook today and it made me sit down and take moment of reflection for her. Haven't seen her since we left school but on 30th March she lost her mum, just as her family were coming to terms with the loss her dad fell ill as well and subsequently passed away 2 days ago. Due to lockdown she hadn't been able to see either of them before they died and suddenly she has to plan a funeral for both her parents because of this virus.

Absolutely brutal situation to be in and brings home the reality we're all in but my heart really feels for her losing both parents in 2 weeks to this.
 
Blue in Munich said:
If you'd read the link you posted you'd have seen this; it transpired that England's chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, had advised that Mr Gove’s daughter should be tested for the virus.

Given that we see enough complaints posted on this thread about not following the advice from the scientists, are we seriously going to suggest an abuse of power when their advice is followed?
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I thought Mr Gove was allergic to Expert advice...
 
Two death on our road.. both not related to C19 and both in their 80s. Extremely sad and made worse by the fact that no one can go and knock on their door and give them a big hug... Sad times indeed
 
Wolf said:
Just seen some posts people are sending to an old school friend on Facebook today and it made me sit down and take moment of reflection for her. Haven't seen her since we left school but on 30th March she lost her mum, just as her family were coming to terms with the loss her dad fell ill as well and subsequently passed away 2 days ago. Due to lockdown she hadn't been able to see either of them before they died and suddenly she has to plan a funeral for both her parents because of this virus.

Absolutely brutal situation to be in and brings home the reality we're all in but my heart really feels for her losing both parents in 2 weeks to this.
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God, that is awful, just bloody awful. ....this bastard virus.
" All things bright and beautiful, my arse"
 
Swinglowandslow said:
God, that is awful, just bloody awful. ....this bastard virus.
" All things bright and beautiful, my arse"
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Absolutely agree. I'm not a sentimental person and am very matter of fact about what's coming to us all eventually. But seeing that and remembering what a nice kid she was and no doubt is now a lovely lady, plus factoring how I'd feel in that situation it really got to me. Was sat there for quite a while today thinking of her and how she's coping. I can't even begin to imagine what she's feeling.
 
drdel said:
Ethics are laudable and morally right but often not affordable in the real. world
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While you may be right at a personal level - and hopefully only occasionally - they are absolutely essential at a 'society' level. War or reaction to oppression, associated with immoral activities in the first place (but often forced on one side) would be the only possible exceptions.

Can you give 'normal' examples to support your assertion?
 
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maxfli65 said:
What kind of govt do you normally have, is it zero tolerance strict?
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No I wouldn't say it was strick in the sense I think you mean and some people have been fined for breaking curfew, so society isn't fully compliant here either
We do have the 'advantage' that every year in cyclone season all businesses will be closed and the public will be confined to home whenever a big storm is passing. So while this is usually just a day or two at a time it does mean the concept of being on a type of lock-down (albeit short-term) is quite normal, maybe that helps a bit
 
maxfli65 said:
There were quite a number of families joining with other neighbouring families at the outset for the lockdown so they could cover each others kids as adults went to work and young ones had playmates etc. The BBQs could be from that scenario, i.e. they are one big group for purposes of isolating.
Or they could be eejits.

The golfers should be chased. Bught is big but it should be a safe exercise space for all.
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unfort the latter
 
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