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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

hovis said:
my neighbour died today. I knew he had sepsis following a hip operation but he was sent home after he got better. his daughter wrote on FB that he had lost his battle with coronavirus. I'm confused as to why he was at home "battling" coronavirus and not at hospital. I only saw him 4 days ago and he seemed OK and never mentioned coronavirus. . bit of a shock when it's so close to home
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I think the thought process is, that if you don’t need respiratory help, oxygen/ventilator, then you may as well self isolate at home than take up bed space in the hospital.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
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One disturbing paragraph from the article though - The confirmed UK death toll passed 10,000 at the weekend, with a government adviser and infectious diseases expert warning the country could end up being the "worst akffected country in Europe".
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Hope your place stays relatively quiet.

On the paragraph, if as I suspect they are using death toll as the measure, with the UK being the 2nd or 3rd most population in Europe (depending how you view Russia), and with Germany either doing very well, or using a different counting method (via Robert Koch Institute (RKI) ) - then UK being "worst affected" is almost a cert
 
Fish said:
I think the thought process is, that if you don’t need respiratory help, oxygen/ventilator, then you may as well self isolate at home than take up bed space in the hospital.
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My Daughter in London who lives on her own has just had it, She was quite poorly for a while and had two paramedic visits but I guess due to her being 40 it was decided to let her ride it out at home. It was a very worrying time.
 
Hacker Khan said:
I'm amazed that people are suddenly realizing the majority of our press are not the greatest from watching the daily press briefings. Like where have you been for the last decade? ;)
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I was articulating that the Government’s standing has gone up, whist the the press’s has gone down, in my view. Neither were particularly high to start with.
 
HappyHacker1 said:
Tens of millions ?

Where have you seen anywhere the mention of tens of millions ? The worst case scenario was 500,000 is we did nothing, absolutely nothing, yet you produce a figure of tens of millions.
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Who knows potentially how many if its left to RIP through society, it's new and no one knows what would happen if left unchecked. Look what's happening in New York, imagine London. Anyhow, what number is acceptable to you, 500,000. ?
 
SocketRocket said:
My Daughter in London who lives on her own has just had it, She was quite poorly for a while and had two paramedic visits but I guess due to her being 40 it was decided to let her ride it out at home. It was a very worrying time.
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And I think they’re are possibly thousands of similarities like this, being visited via or spoken to over the phone via 111 that aren’t part of the figures we see?
 
SocketRocket said:
Who knows potentially how many if its left to RIP through society, it's new and no one knows what would happen if left unchecked. Look what's happening in New York, imagine London. Anyhow, what number is acceptable to you, 500,000. ?
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You're now exaggerating on what I said but as for a figure, can't give you one, but one thing I do know is, lockdown forever isn't the cure.
 
Kaz said:
There was that tragic story of the nurse whose family tried four times to get him to hospital but each time he was refused and he ended up dying at home. It must be terrifying to have a loved one suffering with it. Sounds like she's on the mend now though?
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She is thanks but still quite weak and has pluericy. Spent a lot of time with her on video trying to reassure her, we sent her boxes of supplies but I did mention on here before that I was humbled by the help she got from local people taking in her dogs and shopping for her.
 
HappyHacker1 said:
You're now exaggerating on what I said but as for a figure, can't give you one, but one thing I do know is, lockdown forever isn't the cure.
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Lockdown cant be for ever, it will probably be eased as the number of cases become lower, vunerable people will probably have to endure it longer until a vaccine is available.

I'm only asking you how many people you consider is an acceptable number to die so that restrictions can be removed.
 
SocketRocket said:
Read the post that I was replying to then read mine again in context.

It was suggested life wasnt worth saving at all cost thus indicating some lives should be sacrificed. My point was this is wrong except in cases where death is a welcome release for the individual.
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That's not quite how I read/interpreted it. I'd need to check, but, I believe, that's also not how the clinical assessment is made. From what I understand, death or vegetative state has to be inevitable before active care becomes palliative care. And I know of cases where that care can be for a considerable length of time! 'Cost' isn't a consideration and it was probably a bit clumsy for the Op to use that word.

Your (or indeed any) approach still has the issue of - what and who determines the 'a welcome release' point!

Edit. Good to hear your daughter is coming through it.
 
SocketRocket said:
I'm only asking you how many people you consider is an acceptable number to die so that restrictions can be removed.
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There isn't an "acceptable number" there will just be a number that will die, whether we like it or not as has already happened.

For the record, I haven't earned a single penny in almost 4 weeks now, not likely to for a number of weeks, possibly months, am I an acceptable casualty if I die through hunger, suicide, or some other issue brought on by the restrictions ?
 
Every government uses a value of life in economic assessment. I know back in the 70s it was about £350k. It's a harsh reality but that is the painful judgements being made by politicians.
Hosiptals will assess who gets treatments. There are guidelines that ranks your "value' by age and frailty.
 
Foxholer said:
That's not quite how I read/interpreted it. I'd need to check, but, I believe, that's also not how the clinical assessment is made. From what I understand, death or vegetative state has to be inevitable before active care becomes palliative care. And I know of cases where that care can be for a considerable length of time! 'Cost' isn't a consideration and it was probably a bit clumsy for the Op to use that word.

Your (or indeed any) approach still has the issue of - what and who determines the 'a welcome release' point!

Edit. Good to hear your daughter is coming through it.
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My main point wasnt really about releasing critically ill people it was more about the ethics of lifting restrictions so the virus would take it's natural (herd) course to help the ecconomy and minimise poverty verses protecting the vulnerable in society.

Thanks, shes slowly getting better.
 
IainP said:
Belgium doesn't seem to receive the media attention here, probably because the numbers aren't as large as others. But if you look at relative to population only Spain & Italy are suffering more than them.
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Italian outcast said:
I work with people there on a daily basis - they are well aware how serious it is for them
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As of today Belgium are pretty much even with Italy.
Still the BBC don't seem to be reporting on this unless I keep missing it. Some insights may be informative.
 
drdel said:
Every government uses a value of life in economic assessment. I know back in the 70s it was about £350k. It's a harsh reality but that is the painful judgements being made by politicians.
Hosiptals will assess who gets treatments. There are guidelines that ranks your "value' by age and frailty.
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Indeed!
To eliminate the scary concept of 'how much is prolonging this particular person's life worth', the numbers have been made less personal by 'for (the same) £X required to extend this life, we can save the lives of Y other patients'. It's (having to make) decisions like this that cause medical folk the greatest angst!
 
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