Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

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No one is storming the vaccination points to go on holiday, are they? They are going by invitation.

Regarding holidays. Who can go to the Costas will be in the hands of the Costas. Do you suggest that if someone not vaccinated is denied then someone vaccinated should deny. The lockdown for all wasn't really to protect only the elderly, lots of people of working age have been struck down or harmed by Covid.

Would I be upset if someone was able to get a holiday abroad before me due to earlier vaccination, No, not at all.

Again, hyperbole used to make a point. The country has its fair share of selfish people who would, I suspect, not take too kindly to having to wait several months to go on holiday when others can go sooner.

Personally, yes I think that non essential international travel should be in hold until it is an option for all just to keep a degree of unity rather than any personal outrage that someone can go and I cannot (I go in November and outside of the main holiday periods so really no impact on me at all)
 

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Personally I would say to let the vaccinated go off on their holidays as soon as possible. Free up space later in the year for those who haven't been jabbed yet rather than everyone wanting to go at the same time and watching the prices go through the roof. The alternative is for the government to ban all foreign holidays and then pour millions of pounds more of our money into propping up the holiday industry until everyone has had both their jabs. I'd rather they open up and not spend those millions.
 

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Again, hyperbole used to make a point. The country has its fair share of selfish people who would, I suspect, not take too kindly to having to wait several months to go on holiday when others can go sooner.

Personally, yes I think that non essential international travel should be in hold until it is an option for all just to keep a degree of unity rather than any personal outrage that someone can go and I cannot (I go in November and outside of the main holiday periods so really no impact on me at all)

My only issue with that is a travel industry which is on its knees. We can’t afford to bar foreign travel until everyone is able to go simply because it’s the equitable thing to do.
 

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My only issue with that is a travel industry which is on its knees. We can’t afford to bar foreign travel until everyone is able to go simply because it’s the equitable thing to do.

Not so long ago some people were saying open up the pubs, lets us out. Now they're saying no one should go on holiday till we've all had the jab. Selfish?

The unemployed figures for Spain were issued today. Over 4,000,000 million unemployed - the population is 46m. An awful lots of Spain is agriculture and tourism. 18 million Brits visited in 2019.

Providing the risk is balanced, the country desperately needs the visitors. If it doesn't get the visitors there'll not be much left to visit. There's bars and restaurants closing here, some have been around for years...
 

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Vaccine passport for bars, clubs, festivals and travel should be in place once every adult has been offered it. For the simple reason it'll be much safer, stop the spread and obviously be brilliant seeing the anti vaxxers living in misery for a few years, with no one to blame but themselves.

Personally feel the over 65's should be allowed to travel ASAP as no one younger can really understand the fear they've been living in for the past year. I'm not bothered about travelling myself, I just want to appreciate the small things like visiting family in a care home with no video calls, meeting mates for a BBQ, random night outs and getting back to normal in this country. This country has so many beautiful spots, give me normality and holidays in St Ives, the Lakes, Peaks, Scotland, Devon and the Cotswolds over some cheap sun in Spain or Greece (y)
 

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My only issue with that is a travel industry which is on its knees. We can’t afford to bar foreign travel until everyone is able to go simply because it’s the equitable thing to do.

Not so long ago some people were saying open up the pubs, lets us out. Now they're saying no one should go on holiday till we've all had the jab. Selfish?

The unemployed figures for Spain were issued today. Over 4,000,000 million unemployed - the population is 46m. An awful lots of Spain is agriculture and tourism. 18 million Brits visited in 2019.

Providing the risk is balanced, the country desperately needs the visitors. If it doesn't get the visitors there'll not be much left to visit. There's bars and restaurants closing here, some have been around for years...

Exactly. As long as those travelling are doing so in accordance with their own Government's guidelines where is the problem?

Lock down all those who currently could go, there won't be a travel industry left when everyone can go. Or if there is, demand & prices go through the roof when everyone can go & the youngsters still lose out. Let the older ones go now, keep the industry going & the younger ones can go later; where's the problem?

As for locking the older generation down now because "we were all in it together" earlier, I seem to remember plenty of examples of raves and similar where the younger generation decided that "we are all in it together" didn't apply to them, so I don't see why it should be forced on those who now legitimately can travel.
 

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As for locking the older generation down now because "we were all in it together" earlier, I seem to remember plenty of examples of raves and similar where the younger generation decided that "we are all in it together" didn't apply to them, so I don't see why it should be forced on those who now legitimately can travel.

Lots of examples of people from every demographic breaking the rules.

I'm unsure if you can still transmit the infection after the jabs. But if you can, I have less risk of taking up a hospital bed than a double vacced senior. Why should they get priority?
 

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Lots of examples of people from every demographic breaking the rules.

I'm unsure if you can still transmit the infection after the jabs. But if you can, I have less risk of taking up a hospital bed than a double vacced senior. Why should they get priority?

Why shouldn't they? They have been vaccinated first because they represent a greater risk to the NHS; they have benefitted from risk management. And because they will meet the rules in Cyprus and you won't they get priority to holiday abroad; they have benefitted from foreign government policy. They have done nothing wrong or underhand.

It's life; sometimes it works in your favour, sometimes it doesn't.
 

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My wife is very distressed this evening reflecting on how unfair it is on her mum that she can’t be with her mum tonight when her mum needs her - her mum having lost her brother today after losing her sister seven weeks ago. And what makes her more upset is how we are still in this mess - that so many for their own selfish reasons and mostly pretty me-me reasons look to bend and break the rules - indeed how it seems that everywhere we look there are individuals breaking the rules for reasons they justify but they are still rule breaking and basically being selfish and disrespectful of those sticking to the rules despite how distressing doing so means.

Meanwhile my wife and I and her mum stick to the rules - and it so upsetting for us all because so many seem to think they are ok to do what they want - for their own selfish reasons. Not good. So do we just say ‘sod it’, as so many seem to be doing whatever they want then we’re just going to act as them - break the rules if that is what‘s required. Because when your level of respect for those who are setting the rules is not great the feeling to tell them them where to go with their rules as so many seem to be doing is great. I’m sorry that that is verging on political,I hope it is still the right side, and I do hope it doesn’t cause issues, but my wife’s distress and anger is very deep this evening and it is very difficult to do what someone asks when in doing so the pain is great and you do not respect - in fact have no respect whatsoever - for the people telling you what to do...?

I am lost on what to say to my wife this evening...

[edit] I will redact any content of the above that is deemed too near the P - I hope that’s not required as it is all part of what what is so badly impacting my wife and what is causing her anger and upset.

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Why shouldn't they? They have been vaccinated first because they represent a greater risk to the NHS; they have benefitted from risk management. And because they will meet the rules in Cyprus and you won't they get priority to holiday abroad; they have benefitted from foreign government policy. They have done nothing wrong or underhand.

It's life; sometimes it works in your favour, sometimes it doesn't.

They still possess a greater risk to the NHS than I do, an unvaccinated 29 year old.
 

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Lots of examples of people from every demographic breaking the rules.

I'm unsure if you can still transmit the infection after the jabs. But if you can, I have less risk of taking up a hospital bed than a double vacced senior. Why should they get priority?

The data shows a 65-70% reduction in transmission.

This isn't about hospital beds now, it's about reducing infection to fend off mutations.
 

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My wife is very distressed this evening reflecting on how unfair it is on her mum that she can’t be with her mum tonight when her mum needs her - her mum having lost her brother today after losing her sister seven weeks ago. And what makes her more upset is how we are still in this mess - that so many for their own selfish reasons and mostly pretty me-me reasons look to bend and break the rules - indeed how it seems that everywhere we look there are individuals breaking the rules for reasons they justify but they are still rule breaking and basically being selfish and disrespectful of those sticking to the rules despite how distressing doing so means.

Meanwhile my wife and I and her mum stick to the rules - and it so upsetting for us all because so many seem to think they are ok to do what they want - for their own selfish reasons. Not good. So do we just say ‘sod it’, as so many seem to be doing whatever they want then we’re just going to act as them - break the rules if that is what‘s required. Because when your level of respect for those who are setting the rules is not great the feeling to tell them them where to go with their rules as so many seem to be doing is great. I’m sorry that that is verging on political, and I do hope it doesn’t cause issues, but my wife’s distress and anger is very deep this evening and it is very difficult to do what someone asks when in doing so the pain is great and you do not respect - in fact have no respect whatsoever - for the people telling you what to do...?

I am lost on what to say to my wife this evening...

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Is there space for your wife to stay?

If you and your wife isolate now - since you last went out. Then you can visit and isolate again for 10 days there. Not within rules, but almost no chance of infecting her, or anyone else.

The rules don't account for things like this, You should weigh up your options and do what you feel is right.
 

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Spoke to my mum this evening, my grandad has been put on end of life care and it would appear that it’s now just a matter of days. He’s 101yrs old, he’s had a fantastic run however its devastating to think that the last 4/5 months of his life have been spent in a room measuring 3x3m’s and it has caused a man with all his faculties, both mentally and physically, at the beginning to have finished with him being bed ridden and not knowing who or where he is.

The silver lining is that my mum has been tested twice (she’s had the first jab) and had a negative result so has been able to go into the home to hold his hand. Whilst he’s been almost entirely asleep it means a lot to her that he’s able to have had some physical contact with her dad before the inevitable happens.
 

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My wife is very distressed this evening reflecting on how unfair it is on her mum that she can’t be with her mum tonight when her mum needs her - her mum having lost her brother today after losing her sister seven weeks ago. And what makes her more upset is how we are still in this mess - that so many for their own selfish reasons and mostly pretty me-me reasons look to bend and break the rules - indeed how it seems that everywhere we look there are individuals breaking the rules for reasons they justify but they are still rule breaking and basically being selfish and disrespectful of those sticking to the rules despite how distressing doing so means.

Meanwhile my wife and I and her mum stick to the rules - and it so upsetting for us all because so many seem to think they are ok to do what they want - for their own selfish reasons. Not good. So do we just say ‘sod it’, as so many seem to be doing whatever they want then we’re just going to act as them - break the rules if that is what‘s required. Because when your level of respect for those who are setting the rules is not great the feeling to tell them them where to go with their rules as so many seem to be doing is great. I’m sorry that that is verging on political,I hope it is still the right side, and I do hope it doesn’t cause issues, but my wife’s distress and anger is very deep this evening and it is very difficult to do what someone asks when in doing so the pain is great and you do not respect - in fact have no respect whatsoever - for the people telling you what to do...?

I am lost on what to say to my wife this evening...

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Surely you can use this exception. I am hoping it will be a way my wife can visit her parents.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home

Where and when you can meet in larger groups

There are still circumstances in which you are allowed to meet others from outside your household, childcare or support bubble in larger groups, but this should not be for socialising and only for permitted purposes. A full list of these circumstances will be included in the regulations, and includes:

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to provide care or assistance to someone vulnerable, or to provide respite for a carer
 

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It's not the relatively small number of folk breaking the the rules that's causing the problems...
It's the literally thousands going about their daily business as allowed within the rules...
 
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