Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Why do you insist on making heavy going of what is quite simple?

If you are in Tier 2, you shouldn't travel to Tier 3 unless for work, medical treatment or caring responsibilities. If you are providing care for your mum in place of your brother (to provide him respite) then you can. If you are not providing care for your mum in place of your brother (to provide him respite), you can't.

It's not really all that difficult, unless of course you want to make it difficult.

Really not trying to make things difficult...see below copied directly from the UK Gov tiers restriction website (my highlights). My MiL is 90, pretty frail and very reluctant to go out of the house; and my BiL does not drive. They live out of town in a village with no local shops. Just trying to work out if we can do what we need (not want) to do.

So just looking for what seems to be OK - though not sure on the 'staying over'. If our thinking looks correct and we are OK to do what we need to do then all I am looking for is a 'your OK'.

Tier 3: Very High alert
This is for areas with a very high or very rapidly rising level of infections, where tighter restrictions are in place.

In tier 3:

• you must not meet socially indoors or in most outdoor places with anybody you do not live with, or who is not in your support bubble, this includes in any private garden or at most outdoor venues
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• avoid travelling to other parts of the UK, including for overnight stays other than where necessary, such as for work, education, youth services, to receive medical treatment, or because of caring responsibilities. You can travel through other areas as part of a longer journey

Exemptions from gatherings limits in all tiers

• as part of a single household, or a support bubble
• for work or providing voluntary or charitable services, including in other people’s homes
• for childcare, education or training – meaning education and training provided as part of a formal curriculum
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• to provide care or assistance to someone vulnerable or to provide respite for a carer
• to facilitate moving home

 

[GreiginFife]

Really not trying to make things difficult...see below copied directly from the UK Gov tiers restriction website (my highlights). My MiL is 90, pretty frail and very reluctant to go out of the house; and my BiL does not drive. They live out of town in a village with no local shops. Just trying to work out if we can do what we need (not want) to do.

So just looking for what seems to be OK - though not sure on the 'staying over'. If our thinking looks correct and we are OK to do what we need to do then all I am looking for is a 'your OK'.

Tier 3: Very High alert
This is for areas with a very high or very rapidly rising level of infections, where tighter restrictions are in place.

In tier 3:

• you must not meet socially indoors or in most outdoor places with anybody you do not live with, or who is not in your support bubble, this includes in any private garden or at most outdoor venues
• 
  
• 
  
• avoid travelling to other parts of the UK, including for overnight stays other than where necessary, such as for work, education, youth services, to receive medical treatment, or because of caring responsibilities. You can travel through other areas as part of a longer journey

Exemptions from gatherings limits in all tiers

• as part of a single household, or a support bubble
• for work or providing voluntary or charitable services, including in other people’s homes
• for childcare, education or training – meaning education and training provided as part of a formal curriculum
• 
  
• 
  
• to provide care or assistance to someone vulnerable or to provide respite for a carer
• to facilitate moving home

Yes, I read the exact same website. And, again it's clear unless you don't want it to be. Question; Are you providing care for your mum (as that is the only way YOU can provide respite for your brother)? If YES then good to go. If NO, then not good to go. Simple.

Unless you meant you're OK, then you don't need my OK

 

[Swinglowandslow]

We are trying to work out if we can visit my MiL before the Christmas 'break' - she is in a Tier 3 area - we are Tier 2.

We think we can, as my wife's brother is effectively my MiLs carer - and I believe we can visit to provide him with respite. Another reason why we would be going is that her brother needs help to do everything they need done in advance of the Christmas 'break'.

And as we are visiting to provide support to my MiL and respite for him - we think we can stay over...(it's a long return journey in a day) but we are not clear on that.

We think...

Well, I don't know what you're contemplating, but seeing this post and 11,511, I get the impression that things might be a bit risky?
Maybe you and/or wife intend to visit an indoor venue and be part of a 1000 audience? What if you pick something up there.

Then you may visit ,MIL and Bil.

Maybe you aren't intending this. If you are, I hope everyone stays safe.

 

[backwoodsman]

I don't think it's that clear. Logically how can eating a meal with a pint indoors be any safer than drinking a pint indoors or drinking a coffee indoors. I've read all the GOV guidelines but can't se where it clearly explains about cafes or coffee shops.

As S&L says in his post, the guidelines only impose the "table service" and the "substantial meals" restrictions to places that sell alcohol. If a cafe or coffee shop doesn't sell alcohol, then those restriction dont apply. But if they do sell/serve alcohol, then the restrictions will apply.

Its a bit like the rules of golf - if the rules dont say you can't, then you can ...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well, I don't know what you're contemplating, but seeing this post and 11,511, I get the impression that things might be a bit risky?
Maybe you and/or wife intend to visit an indoor venue and be part of a 1000 audience? What if you pick something up there.

Then you may visit ,MIL and Bil.

Maybe you aren't intending this. If you are, I hope everyone stays safe.

We feel we need to visit my MiLs before Christmas break to give my wife's brother a break from his caring duties. I was simply checking my understanding because it seemed like we could, though not clear if we could stay over at hers. I was simply asking if my reading as correct. We are not planning to do anything else.

The venue question was in a quite separate context - but as I suspected I am advised that 80% of a small venue's profit from takings from an event come through sale of refreshments - primarily alcohol. So whilst it seems hopeful for live events being put on in Tier1 and Tier2 areas, and government may talk them up, if alcohol can't be sold then the events are not going to be financially viable and so are not going to happen.

 

[Slab]

We feel we need to visit my MiLs before Christmas break to give my wife's brother a break from his caring duties. I was simply checking my understanding because it seemed like we could, though not clear if we could stay over at hers. I was simply asking if my reading as correct. We are not planning to do anything else.

The venue question was in a quite separate context - but as I suspected I am advised that 80% of a small venue's profit from takings from an event come through sale of refreshments - primarily alcohol. So whilst it seems hopeful for live events being put on in Tier1 and Tier2 areas, and government may talk them up, if alcohol can't be sold then the events are not going to be financially viable and so are not going to happen.

Here's a litmus test for you;

Bearing in mind he's in tier three area, what will your brother in law do while he's 'on a break' ?
If the answer is sit in the same room watching Grandstand or pops to tesco's, while your wife 'visits' her mum and makes her a cup of tea... is that really acting as a carer or providing respite?
If its substantially more involved than that then I think you'll be on solid ground

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Here's a litmus test for you;

Bearing in mind he's in tier three area, what will your brother in law do while he's 'on a break' ?
If the answer is sit in the same room watching Grandstand or pops to tesco's, while your wife 'visits' her mum and makes her a cup of tea... is that really acting as a carer or providing respite?
If its substantially more involved than that then I think you'll be on solid ground

Issue is it's difficult for him to go anywhere out of the house. He doesn't drive and my MiL prefers him to be about - and not out. She is demanding and very difficult to live with...well - 90 - what you expect...He just needs us to take some load and responsibilities off him for a couple of days - and to do some things that are difficult for him to do. We aren't going to just be doing 'little' things.

To be honest in some ways my wife would rather have a 'sorry the rules don't allow' get out, as the relationships she has with her mother and brother are not easy - but as the rules look like we can go, then my wife thinks we must. Whether we really want to or not it is the right thing for us to do

 

[Hobbit]

Issue is it's difficult for him to go anywhere out of the house. He doesn't drive and my MiL prefers him to be about - and not out. She is demanding and very difficult to live with...well - 90 - what you expect...He just needs us to take some load and responsibilities off him for a couple of days - and to do some things that are difficult for him to do. We aren't going to just be doing 'little' things.

To be honest in some ways my wife would rather have a 'sorry the rules don't allow' get out, as the relationships she has with her mother and brother are not easy - but as the rules look like we can go, then my wife thinks we must. Whether we really want to or not it is the right thing for us to do

Bearing in mind how little your MiL and BiL have ventured out, and definitely not to the more higher risk areas of town, you're more likely to take something to them than get anything off them.

The rules are a catch-all but common sense suggests it would be safe as houses. I'd go.

 

[Imurg]

Just seen a tweet from the PGA saying that in T2 and T3 indoor 1:1 coaching is not allowed and only allowed outdoors with caution.
Doesn't bode well for me going back to work 1:1 in a car....

 

[Hobbit]

Just seen a tweet from the PGA saying that in T2 and T3 indoor 1:1 coaching is not allowed and only allowed outdoors with caution.
Doesn't bode well for me going back to work 1:1 in a car....

If you flatten your back swing and take the head rests out you'll be fine.

 

[Slab]

Just seen a tweet from the PGA saying that in T2 and T3 indoor 1:1 coaching is not allowed and only allowed outdoors with caution.
Doesn't bode well for me going back to work 1:1 in a car....

Different kind of 'driver' though

 

[SocketRocket]

Coffee shops and cafes come into it by being outside the definition of selling alcohol. To sell alcohol you have to provide a substantial meal with it.
This is to deter the people who wander down to the pub just for a pint etc and who don't eat there.
You and your fellow householder can go/meet indoors and in a cafe ,pub or hospitality venue you can drink coffee, tea, etc . If you want alcohol then you have to have a meal with it
You cannot do any of those things or any other form of socialising indoors with anyone else other than someone who is part of your household.

Considering that the main way this virus is spreading is indoors through the aerosol method, then I personally see it as risky ( being polite) to go to a cafe, pub, etc.,
It still doesn't seem to have been grasped by most people that SD ( 2 metres etc) is irrelevant indoors without excellent and not usual ventilation. I.e.
All the windows open.....

Thanks for the reply.

Regarding the risk and social distancing, we are fully aware of that and will only sit outdoors away from others.

 

[GB72]

I suppose that is the one plus point of being in Tier 3

"Can I do..........

"No you can't"

End of.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Been thinking about how few areas are in tier 1 and wondered if this is the pay off for the relaxation at Xmas. It's generally accepted that by allowing households to mix for 5 days at Xmas will see an increase in cases in January.

Perhaps the government are trying to get the number of cases right down in the next 4 weeks by putting everyone in tiers 2 & 3 so that the spike in January will be lower as it will be from a lower starting point.

Or perhaps I'm giving them too much credit and they are just making it up on the fly.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Why do you insist on making heavy going of what is quite simple?

If you are in Tier 2, you shouldn't travel to Tier 3 unless for work, medical treatment or caring responsibilities. If you are providing care for your mum in place of your brother (to provide him respite) then you can. If you are not providing care for your mum in place of your brother (to provide him respite), you can't.

It's not really all that difficult, unless of course you want to make it difficult.

Because it is yet another thinly veiled political dig & he can't help himself?

 

[Blue in Munich]

The rules really are simple:

Tier 1; Pints.
Tier 2; Pints & chips.
Tier 3; No pints. No chips.

 

[AmandaJR]

Because it is yet another thinly veiled political dig & he can't help himself?

Every single time I imagine him like this...cracks me up!

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[Slime]

Issue is it's difficult for him to go anywhere out of the house. He doesn't drive and my MiL prefers him to be about - and not out. She is demanding and very difficult to live with...well - 90 - what you expect...He just needs us to take some load and responsibilities off him for a couple of days - and to do some things that are difficult for him to do. We aren't going to just be doing 'little' things.

To be honest in some ways my wife would rather have a 'sorry the rules don't allow' get out, as the relationships she has with her mother and brother are not easy - but as the rules look like we can go, then my wife thinks we must. Whether we really want to or not it is the right thing for us to do

My mum is 91, but she's a joy to be around, not demanding or difficult at all.
They're not all the same.

 

[Slime]

Just seen a tweet from the PGA saying that in T2 and T3 indoor 1:1 coaching is not allowed and only allowed outdoors with caution.
Doesn't bode well for me going back to work 1:1 in a car....

Get a stretched limo and sit in the back with elongated dual controls?

 

[Imurg]

Get a stretched limo and sit in the back with elongated dual controls?

Now that sounds like a plan..
I bet they, eventually, say that T3 is a no go but T2 can if your windows are wide open.....in mid to low single figure temperatures, rain, sleet and wind...
Retirement is looking quite appealing