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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Ethan said:
This sort of statistic is a bit unhelpful. Everyone dies of something, eventually. If all other causes of death were eliminated, everyone would die of the one that was left. The genesis of cancer is complicated, but it takes place over years and is usually not preventable in a straightforward way, a few risks such as smoking and sunbathing aside. Cancer and neurodegenerative conditions such as AD are, in a way, versions of the body's ability to regenerate itself failing. The flu and pneumonia cases are most probably in the same bucket, end of life exits rather than unexpected sudden illnesses.

So this graphic is essentially saying, so long as people still die, what is the point of trying to prevent Covid deaths? The answer is that Covid deaths are preventable. Cancer, AD and IHD are, in the same sense, not. Neither do cancer, AD and IHD spread from person to person. Cover does. Finally, death rates from cancer are falling. That doesn't mean that fewer people are dying of it, in fact more are, but they are dying later in life, so in terms of age-sex rates, these rates are falling at every age.

Also, that Covid number can change fast. It is wrong to see Covid as a public health issue on a par with accidents at home.
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True !
I've been told that if my prostate cancer doesnt get any worse by the time I reach my 80's then they will not operate - effectively everyone dies of something, it may be the cancer but I guess it could also be bring knocked down by a bus or a head injury' on a forum meet, from an errant tee shot??
 
Old Skier said:
Only if you phone has been in bluetooth range with the infected person for over 15 min is my understanding so if you were not there at the same time you wont be contacted.
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. What baffles me in these sorts of situations, is that in attempts to report on something, brevity is used and thus the facts and understanding gets twisted and/or misunderstood. Media are notorious at it.
Few days ago a news channel 'ticker tape', ( running along the bottom of the screen) said,words to the effect, ."new app can tell you if you are near someone who is positive"
Reading that ,it gives a vision of you , with the app on your phone, being alerted as you stand near someone with Covid.
In all the reporting about this app, nowhere have I seen ( unless I've researched), the media give the full facts as to how it works.i.e what happens from when you download the app., how your phone and other phones communicate , and to what extent etc.
Prime example is the above by Old Skier. What he says is my understanding of what happens and so that being the case, many scenarios hypothesised that we have read would simply not be the case.
Why don't the media emphasise the truth instead of paraphrasing inaccuracies.? ( That is rhetorical, btw?)

However, I do take L T point. As someone who does not go into the clubhouse etc after a round ( straight home for me), am I to understand that if I go to a hospitality place, e.g. Clubhouse and I sign in,( but don't sign out) , if someone shown to be there at the same time later proves positive, that I am contacted and must self isolate?
 
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ColchesterFC said:
But in LT's example the infected person didn't have the app so his phone won't be in range of their phone at all, according to the app. The infected person signed in on paper and LT didn't have a mechanism to sign out when he left.
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They are 2 separate things.

The app allows you check in easier than relying on staff to take details. If anyone feels its a problem, then just use whatever system the pub etc has.

I'd also like to think there is a bit more to contact tracing then juts arbitrarily telling people to isolate as they've been in the same building as a positive test.
 
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If you want to wilfully break the system, then you can always turn off the contact tracer in the app. Another case of a good feature that can be potentially misused by Covidiots
 
robinthehood said:
They are 2 separate things.

The app allows you check in easier than relying on staff to take details. If anyone feels its a problem, then just use whatever system the pub etc has.

I'd also like to think there is a bit more to contact tracing then juts arbitrarily telling people to isolate as they've been in the same building as a positive test.
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I get that but surely the app should have a function to check out when you leave as well as check in when you arrive.

RE: the bit in bold. So would I but having seen the absolute Horlicks that has been made of contact tracing so far I'm not convinced.
 
Rats! There was me thinking of putting up a marquee in my back garden for a jolly old champagne and canapes garden party - to find out that that's the sort of thing likely to see me being reported by my neighbours...sooo disappointing...;)

Just as well that I've had that clarified to prevent me making silly mistakes due to misunderstanding of the rules...

Anyway - must get on with downloading the app.
 
Ethan said:
Sure, but it is common on social media to see such graphics which can downplay the potential impact of Covid by comparison with other incomparables.
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That was my point. People making, imo, daft statements and putting up daft graphics.(y)
 
Looking after my 6 year old this morning, the only problem is I did a 12 hour night shift last night. A quick 2 hours sleep before my wife went work so not exactly at the top of my game right now :sleep::sleep:
 
saving_par said:
Looking after my 6 year old this morning, the only problem is I did a 12 hour night shift last night. A quick 2 hours sleep before my wife went work so not exactly at the top of my game right now :sleep::sleep:
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My little pony on the iPad it is then .... joking apart completely sympathetic to your situation, good luck.

I have to say though this app is completely dependent on technology that is shall we say “ doesn’t meet expectations “ WiFi and Bluetooth connections are indiscriminate in their abilities... I love technology but software and IT developers need to have their butts kicked for not making stuff as reliable as possible instead of falling back on excuses such as bugs and user error ... before that fraternity get upset you can click “okay” or “cancel” and go forth and multiply ( which is the general computer response to an issue!)
 
Looking to download the app - I have checked my iPhone 6 and I am up to date on iOS 12.4.8. Does this support the app - my very quick research suggests not. What am I supposed to do?

If I am stuffed what do I do if a requirement for going into somewhere requires me to show that I have downloaded the app. Well - they lose my custom - but that's not great...especially if my club puts in place such a requirement.
 
bobmac said:
Stay in
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Well that's not very helpful...since there is no government requirement to have the app for me to leave my house - but in any case I get the gist of your advice. Besides - my wife also has an iPhone 6 - so that would mean we'd both have to stay in the house...yes - that'll be what we should do.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Looking to download the app - I have checked my iPhone 6 and I am up to date on iOS 12.4.8. Does this support the app - my very quick research suggests not. What am I supposed to do?

If I am stuffed what do I do if a requirement for going into somewhere requires me to show that I have downloaded the app. Well - they lose my custom - but that's not great...especially if my club puts in place such a requirement.
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Don't buy apple? Its's hardly a old news that they love to make their older handsets obsolete.

I can't imagine anyone making the app requirement of entry, least of all golf clubs..
 
The chart above has got to be one of the most misleding/pointless charts, as the number of cases back in March times, was way higher.

The next week or so will be interesting, as some of the early indicators have dropped a lot from 1-2 weeks ago.

Triage/999/111 data down a lot in that time, which should over the next week/10 days, lead to a drop in PCR positives.

Fingers crossed anyway.
 
robinthehood said:
They are 2 separate things.

The app allows you check in easier than relying on staff to take details. If anyone feels its a problem, then just use whatever system the pub etc has.

I'd also like to think there is a bit more to contact tracing then juts arbitrarily telling people to isolate as they've been in the same building as a positive test.
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I hope you are right ?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Looking to download the app - I have checked my iPhone 6 and I am up to date on iOS 12.4.8. Does this support the app - my very quick research suggests not. What am I supposed to do?

If I am stuffed what do I do if a requirement for going into somewhere requires me to show that I have downloaded the app. Well - they lose my custom - but that's not great...especially if my club puts in place such a requirement.
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You should be offered the alternative option of signing in and leaving contact details.

I have the app but, if I didn’t, if any business refused me entry solely because I didn’t have a device which supports the app, and didn’t allow me to sign in as an alternative, I simply wouldn’t return. Pandemic or no pandemic.
 
Billysboots said:
You should be offered the alternative option of signing in and leaving contact details.

I have the app but, if I didn’t, if any business refused me entry solely because I didn’t have a device which supports the app, and didn’t allow me to sign in as an alternative, I simply wouldn’t return. Pandemic or no pandemic.
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All well and good - but not really that much consolation. Besides - the app was supposed to be part of an e2e world-class integrated solution for Test, Track and Trace - and neither my wife nor myself or our phones - can play a part in that world-class solution.

Brilliant...so a lot of money (£1bn I heard mention this morning) is spent developing an all-singing all -dancing solution to cover all aspects of the 3Ts - yet it is a solution that only a specific part of the population can use. Like so much in the work of IT and business - a solution succeeds or fails on the strength of it's weakest link. I fear that this one will fail to meet it's primary objective.

But hey - silver lining is that some IT solution providers and a load of consultants will have made £££s out of this and with any luck they pay tax on it that will feed into the countries depleted coffers.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
All well and good - but not really that much consolation. Besides - the app was supposed to be part of an e2e world-class integrated solution for Test, Track and Trace - and neither my wife nor myself or our phones - can play a part in that world-class solution.

Brilliant...so a lot of money (£1bn I heard mention this morning) is spent developing an all-singing all -dancing solution to cover all aspects of the 3Ts - yet it is a solution that only a specific part of the population can use. Like so much in the work of IT and business - a solution succeeds or fails on the strength of it's weakest link. I fear that this one will fail to meet it's primary objective.

But hey - silver lining is that some IT solution providers and a load of consultants will have made £££s out of this and with any luck they pay tax on it that will feed into the countries depleted coffers.
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Christ, you moan about EVERYTHING dont you ?
 
Older phones cannot download the app as they do not have the capability of accurately judging the distance required, 2m. Don't blame others for this. No one realised 5 years ago that a phone would be required to accurately bluetooth judge a 2m distance.

This is an issue for all countries as most are using the Google/apple system.
 
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