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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

SaintHacker said:
Selfish thoughtless idiots. Don't bother fining anyone caught breaking the rules like, simply add them to a database and deny them and their immediate families any free NHS treatment until the pandemic is over.
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Totally agree they are selfish thoughtless idiots, but punishing families? Really? Shall we do the same for smokers and alcoholics or fat people who cost the NHS?
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Reported on Twitter that the Covid reporting test problems have now been resolved

Everyone who receives a positive test result can now log their result on the #NHSCOVID19app

A minority of people, such as hospital patients, who were unable to log their positive result will now be able to request a code when contacted by NHS Test and Trace to input on the app.
 
People seem to be concerned that there is no booking out feature on the app. If your phone doesn’t “talk” with the infected persons phone my understanding is you won’t be contacted and there is also a 15 min contact time or have I got it wrong.
 
Old Skier said:
People seem to be concerned that there is no booking out feature on the app. If your phone doesn’t “talk” with the infected persons phone my understanding is you won’t be contacted and there is also a 15 min contact time or have I got it wrong.
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That is fine if the infected person also has the app. If they don't then it comes down to the register that someone signs when they enter, a blunt instrument.

If everyone has the app then there is no problem, it works as you describe, but if not enough do then it helps but does have weaknesses.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
That is fine if the infected person also has the app. If they don't then it comes down to the register that someone signs when they enter, a blunt instrument.

If everyone has the app then there is no problem, it works as you describe, but if not enough do then it helps but does have weaknesses.
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It’s just another tool in the same way the advice and instructions that are being dished out are.
 
I can see an issue which has been fairly pointed out, the students should not have been called to university and should have stayed at home unless they could prove they did not have a working environment. Some sources have stated the universities want to tap in to the hall of residence revenue source, which may be cynical but it feels like a valid point
 
robinthehood said:
How does that happen?
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Take my golf club on Saturday. I scanned the QR code when I entered the clubhouse at 12.15. I am not identified as leaving until midnight that night or until I scan another QR code that day, I didn't. I left at 1pm but the system isn't aware of this as there is no scan out option.

Any golfer arriving who doesn't have the app will sign into a register. If they later test positive then everyone present in the club from the time they entered that may have been close to them will be notified to isolate. What if that person arrives at 1.10pm? The system doesn't know I'm no longer there. It still thinks I'm in the club. I could get a notification on my phone through the app to isolate, no discussion.

If the person testing positive also has the app then the app will do its job and only those within 2m for 15 minutes or more will get pinged.

I've used a golf clubhouse as an example but it could be an anonymous bar, cafe, restaurant etc where no one can verify that you were not present.

If I am not understanding this correctly then I am happy to be educated, my mind put at rest. At the moment though this is how I read it.
 
pauldj42 said:
Totally agree they are selfish thoughtless idiots, but punishing families? Really? Shall we do the same for smokers and alcoholics or fat people who cost the NHS?
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This sort of statistic is a bit unhelpful. Everyone dies of something, eventually. If all other causes of death were eliminated, everyone would die of the one that was left. The genesis of cancer is complicated, but it takes place over years and is usually not preventable in a straightforward way, a few risks such as smoking and sunbathing aside. Cancer and neurodegenerative conditions such as AD are, in a way, versions of the body's ability to regenerate itself failing. The flu and pneumonia cases are most probably in the same bucket, end of life exits rather than unexpected sudden illnesses.

So this graphic is essentially saying, so long as people still die, what is the point of trying to prevent Covid deaths? The answer is that Covid deaths are preventable. Cancer, AD and IHD are, in the same sense, not. Neither do cancer, AD and IHD spread from person to person. Cover does. Finally, death rates from cancer are falling. That doesn't mean that fewer people are dying of it, in fact more are, but they are dying later in life, so in terms of age-sex rates, these rates are falling at every age.

Also, that Covid number can change fast. It is wrong to see Covid as a public health issue on a par with accidents at home.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Take my golf club on Saturday. I scanned the QR code when I entered the clubhouse at 12.15. I am not identified as leaving until midnight that night or until I scan another QR code that day, I didn't. I left at 1pm but the system isn't aware of this as there is no scan out option.

Any golfer arriving who doesn't have the app will sign into a register. If they later test positive then everyone present in the club from the time they entered that may have been close to them will be notified to isolate. What if that person arrives at 1.10pm? The system doesn't know I'm no longer there. It still thinks I'm in the club. I could get a notification on my phone through the app to isolate, no discussion.

If the person testing positive also has the app then the app will do its job and only those within 2m for 15 minutes or more will get pinged.

I've used a golf clubhouse as an example but it could be an anonymous bar, cafe, restaurant etc where no one can verify that you were not present.

If I am not understanding this correctly then I am happy to be educated, my mind put at rest. At the moment though this is how I read it.
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If I check in on a paper sheet I never actually check out at all. I dont see that the app will make a contact call anymore likely.
 
Ethan said:
This sort of statistic is a bit unhelpful. Everyone dies of something, eventually. If all other causes of death were eliminated, everyone would die of the one that was left. The genesis of cancer is complicated, but it takes place over years and is usually not preventable in a straightforward way, a few risks such as smoking and sunbathing aside. Cancer and neurodegenerative conditions such as AD are, in a way, versions of the body's ability to regenerate itself failing. The flu and pneumonia cases are most probably in the same bucket, end of life exits rather than unexpected sudden illnesses.

So this graphic is essentially saying, so long as people still die, what is the point of trying to prevent Covid deaths? The answer is that Covid deaths are preventable. Cancer, AD and IHD are, in the same sense, not. Neither do cancer, AD and IHD spread from person to person. Cover does. Finally, death rates from cancer are falling. That doesn't mean that fewer people are dying of it, in fact more are, but they are dying later in life, so in terms of age-sex rates, these rates are falling at every age.

Also, that Covid number can change fast. It is wrong to see Covid as a public health issue on a par with accidents at home.
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Totally agree, that wasn’t the point I was trying to make.(y)
 
robinthehood said:
If I check in on a paper sheet I never actually check out at all. I dont see that the app will make a contact call anymore likely.
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We write the time we enter the Clubhouse upon arrival and the time we left when leaving, so in LordT’s example the Pen is mightier then the App.(y)
 
Story in today's Times that the MP's bars are exempt from the 10pm curfew as they fall under the description of “a workplace canteen”. A disgrace if true, the expectation that we're all in this together is a complete joke and still MP's appear on the news pleading with the general public to take personal responsibility whilst they live their lives under different rules.
 
Old Skier said:
Only if you phone has been in bluetooth range with the infected person for over 15 min is my understanding so if you were not there at the same time you wont be contacted.
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But in LT's example the infected person didn't have the app so his phone won't be in range of their phone at all, according to the app. The infected person signed in on paper and LT didn't have a mechanism to sign out when he left.
 
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