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As we have, over the years, had so few leggies I think the selectors are inherently suspicious.
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As we have, over the years, had so few leggies I think the selectors are inherently suspicious.
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There is plenty in Stokes bowling to suggest that he can develop - hitting high 80's a number of times is good pace as well as making the batsmen play and miss a number of times , found the edge a fair amount of times and only dropped catches stopped him picking up wickets. But he has already picked up wickets before and will pick up more - far from the finished article and does need to stop the 4 balls that he keeps throwing into an over.
Not sure how Andy Flower can be critisized - only have to look at his record ?!!
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25 wickets at an average of over 40 in nine Tests and one innings of this one does not inspire me with confidence.
Not going to discuss Flower as I am afraid my mind is made up.
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9 tests is the clue right there - he is just starting out , his "stats" aren't going to be out of this world and they don't ever tell the whole story
It's a closed mind then in regards Flower - the man won us three ashes in a row as well as making us the number test side in the world for the first time - you can't get much better than that
Unless you have some specifics of some issues ?!
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Sounds like it was a great innings from Stokes, shame I missed it. Fair play to him, I doubted him, particularly his batting, but he's come good in this first Test. Definitely needs to improve his bowling, but he has immense potential. Definitely one to persist with, and one the Aussies will already be wary of. Fair play to Cook too, stood up when he was most needed and has made a big score.
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And the 5-0 whitewash?
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A poor series full of player issues - does that mean one bad series cancels out everything previously ?! Not IMO
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Certainly not but it also serves to show that there were negatives as well as positives in his coaching style.
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One bad series does not make a bad coach. Certain players didn't get on with him, but all respected him. Flower did a superb job as England coach, and helped build one of the most successful England teams of the last 20 years.
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As with every coach but his results overall speak for themselves
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The man oversaw the formation of cliques within the dressing room and it certainly is not true to suggest that all respected him.
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That's a pretty good start from the bowlers 
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NZ set 345 to win after 5 overs they are 8-2
Great start
Great start
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And another goes :whoo:
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Best I've seen England bowl for a while 12-3 after 8 overs 
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Stokes you little ripper!
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Turning into a cracking test match - both sides playing well , all the doom and gloom has gone and lots of positivity in the crowd
Stokes is really getting the crowd going with some great bowling - great counter attack from Anderson - some attacking captaincy from Cook
Lots of good stuff to keep the doubters mute for a while
A great final session could see Anderson get his 400th and England a win
Stokes is really getting the crowd going with some great bowling - great counter attack from Anderson - some attacking captaincy from Cook
Lots of good stuff to keep the doubters mute for a while
A great final session could see Anderson get his 400th and England a win
Dan2501
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This is awesome. Great comeback from England. Looked dead and buried on the first morning, but they've come back superbly. Hope they finish the job now!
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Could be tight , 20 overs left, 3 wickets needed for us , NZ need 150
Unlikely they will get that but could be a draw, great to watch
Unlikely they will get that but could be a draw, great to watch
Fair play to England but NZ have made this rather easy with some terrible shot and decisions. Irrespective of this, I still firmly think that there are big issues with the England side. Lyth looked out of his depth, Bell struggling and we cannot build an innings without losing cheap wickets. If we don't get support from the middle order we get skittled out dirt cheap.
There is still huge expectation on Broad and Anderson and the other pace bowlers have looked less than threatening. We still lack a world class spin bowler and while Ali is developing he'll never be in the class of Swann and nor is Root. I think NZ have made today too easy for England and while you cannot deny they have done well to potentially (as I write) win this, against a more ruthless side like Australia or SA when we tour in the winter, we'll still be found wanting.
There is still huge expectation on Broad and Anderson and the other pace bowlers have looked less than threatening. We still lack a world class spin bowler and while Ali is developing he'll never be in the class of Swann and nor is Root. I think NZ have made today too easy for England and while you cannot deny they have done well to potentially (as I write) win this, against a more ruthless side like Australia or SA when we tour in the winter, we'll still be found wanting.
